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Are Ministers Ordained by Seminaries?

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  • Are Ministers Ordained by Seminaries?

    In my thread on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, a discussion ensued regarding Jesse's ordination, and a cited article seemed to imply he was ordained by a seminary. Elsewhere, on that same cited website, it's clear that was not true. Really sloppy writing.

    So, Tab asks the pertinent question.....

    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Is it possible that some seminaries do actually ordain people? There are a number of different procedures through various denominations.
    I don't know of ANY denominations that handle their ordinations through their seminaries, but that doesn't mean none of them do.

    Do you know of any recognized denominations that ordain through their seminaries, rather than their churches? I noted in the Jackson/Sharpton that even the "online ordination" scams use an associated fake CHURCH to do their "ordination".
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    I don't know about the practices of other churches, but in the Catholic and Anglican traditions, during the ordination ceremony, the rector of the seminary is asked to testify to the theological readiness of the ordinands. I performed that role once for an Episcopalian student who was being ordained, but who had been trained in a University setting and not in a seminary.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    • #3
      Originally posted by robrecht View Post
      I don't know about the practices of other churches, but in the Catholic and Anglican traditions, during the ordination ceremony, the rector of the seminary is asked to testify to the theological readiness of the ordinands. I performed that role once for an Episcopalian student who was being ordained, but who had been trained in a University setting and not in a seminary.
      Thanks... so the CHURCH does the ordination, but the Seminary testifies to the readiness, yes?
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Thanks... so the CHURCH does the ordination, but the Seminary testifies to the readiness, yes?
        Correct.
        βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
        ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

        אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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        • #5
          Originally posted by robrecht View Post
          Correct.
          Thanks -- you inspired me to check by denomination, and what you describe seems to be not so uncommon. Still haven't found any Seminaries that actually "do" the ordaining.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            It would seem then, that a seminary could ordain a person, provided that the officiating officer was a bishop or equivalent?
            sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post
              It would seem then, that a seminary could ordain a person, provided that the officiating officer was a bishop or equivalent?
              I really don't think so -- I think this is a division of labor, so to speak... Ordination represents the Apostles "laying aside" an individual for the work of the Church, and Seminaries are charged with the role of preparing them.

              If the "officiating officer" was "a bishop or equivalent", then he would be acting in his role as clergy, not educator.

              But I'm still looking!
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Thanks... so the CHURCH does the ordination, but the Seminary testifies to the readiness, yes?
                That's my experience when a seminary is involved. I have seen churches both do the training and ordination both.
                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                  That's my experience when a seminary is involved. I have seen churches both do the training and ordination both.
                  The Southern Baptists have SIX seminaries of our own, but they do the educating --- local Churches do the ordaining.
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #10
                    In the PCUSA a seminary couldn't ordain. Ordination is part of recognizing that someone has been called to a specific role. It's the church that does that. In theory I guess a seminary could ordain someone who was going to be a chaplain at that seminary, but normally graduating from a seminary prepares you for a call but it's not the same thing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hedrick View Post
                      In the PCUSA a seminary couldn't ordain. Ordination is part of recognizing that someone has been called to a specific role. It's the church that does that.
                      EGGzackly!

                      In theory I guess a seminary could ordain someone who was going to be a chaplain at that seminary, but normally graduating from a seminary prepares you for a call but it's not the same thing.
                      I can't really imagine that a seminary - which supposedly teaches the Bible and "Churchy" stuff - would usurp the Church's authority in ordaining. I would imagine the Seminary would request that the candidate's own Church ordain him.
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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