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  • How do you calm your anger........

    when you see things like this.

    I realize I am not an American but this entire thing about the Hobby Lobby does make me fear for Christians in the U.S.A.

    Finally, a question. Do you plan to migrate if things like this keep going on (a question to Christians)?











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    -The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine.
    Sir James Jeans

    -This most beautiful system (The Universe) could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.All variety of created objects which represent order and Life in the Universe could happen only by the willful reasoning of its original Creator, whom I call the Lord God.
    Sir Isaac Newton

  • #2
    Political winds come and go - and Christ warned us of persecution - but in the US we ARE the government as well as the governed. If we flee, we're fleeing our duty as citizens and besides, where would we go? The US, for all its flaws, is still the freest nation on Earth and the one with religious freedom enshrined in its foundation.

    No, this is where we stand and fight - with words, love, and perseverance. If we can't win here, don't fear for us - fear for the rest of the world which has never had the deep ties to freedom that America has flowing through her veins. If freedom cannot stand here, it cannot stand anywhere.

    Besides, November is just around the corner. Shumer is playing to his base at a time when the majority of the nation has moved away from that base. Thanks Chuck - grist for GOP mill only makes taking the Senate more likely. The GOP is no panacea but it will bring a lot of the Democrat program to a screeching halt.

    Don't be afraid - be vigilant. That's what Scripture teaches, after all. And no nation-state - not even the US - is in control the way that God is. He's got this - His plans are not foiled by human stupidity. Whatever comes, He is still God. Job was right - though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.

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    • #3
      He's only repeating what certain libertarian elements have been saying for some time: that morality has no place in running a business.
      Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        He's only repeating what certain libertarian elements have been saying for some time: that morality has no place in running a business.
        Eh, basically - slight twist from their intent, I think.

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        • #5
          If morality has no place in running a business, would this imply taking advantage of an opportunity to circumvent laws if one believed they had a 100% chance of getting away with it?
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            If morality has no place in running a business, would this imply taking advantage of an opportunity to circumvent laws if one believed they had a 100% chance of getting away with it?
            Yep - libertarianism has a slight problem with that part. They would argue that the market tends to enforce morality - but that's only partially true, human nature being what it is...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
              Eh, basically - slight twist from their intent, I think.
              They want people to not hold them accountable for not integrating morality into corporate governance, now Schumer is universalizing that to every business. Apparently the only morality Schumer wants corporations to observe is precisely what the government mandates-- no more, no less.

              That said, I'd be curious to know whether he'd say the same about a company that was trying to lessen its environmental impact because of some religious motivation.
              Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                Political winds come and go - and Christ warned us of persecution - but in the US we ARE the government as well as the governed. If we flee, we're fleeing our duty as citizens and besides, where would we go? The US, for all its flaws, is still the freest nation on Earth and the one with religious freedom enshrined in its foundation.

                No, this is where we stand and fight - with words, love, and perseverance. If we can't win here, don't fear for us - fear for the rest of the world which has never had the deep ties to freedom that America has flowing through her veins. If freedom cannot stand here, it cannot stand anywhere.

                Besides, November is just around the corner. Shumer is playing to his base at a time when the majority of the nation has moved away from that base. Thanks Chuck - grist for GOP mill only makes taking the Senate more likely. The GOP is no panacea but it will bring a lot of the Democrat program to a screeching halt.

                Don't be afraid - be vigilant. That's what Scripture teaches, after all. And no nation-state - not even the US - is in control the way that God is. He's got this - His plans are not foiled by human stupidity. Whatever comes, He is still God. Job was right - though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.
                I'm not so certain we're the freest nation on earth any more

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                  He's only repeating what certain libertarian elements have been saying for some time: that morality has no place in running a business.
                  But trumped by the idea that the government shouldn't be telling owners how to run their business.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    I'm not so certain we're the freest nation on earth any more
                    Name one freer. Somalia?

                    Vatican City, perhaps?

                    But trumped by the idea that the government shouldn't be telling owners how to run their business.
                    Granted.
                    Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                      They want people to not hold them accountable for not integrating morality into corporate governance, now Schumer is universalizing that to every business. Apparently the only morality Schumer wants corporations to observe is precisely what the government mandates-- no more, no less.

                      That said, I'd be curious to know whether he'd say the same about a company that was trying to lessen its environmental impact because of some religious motivation.
                      Eh, I think Schumer does want to mandate corporate morality - just the liberal version thereof - which differs from the libertarian intent. And no, I don't think he'd mind at all if a company bought carbon credits to ease their environmental minds.

                      But I think you're essentially correct otherwise.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                        Eh, I think Schumer does want to mandate corporate morality - just the liberal version thereof - which differs from the libertarian intent. And no, I don't think he'd mind at all if a company bought carbon credits to ease their environmental minds.

                        But I think you're essentially correct otherwise.
                        The question is whether he'd notice the hypocrisy of supporting a legally for-profit corporation whose stated goal was not profit for its own sake but the protection of the environment but condemning another corporation that wants to provide a decent standard of living for its employees, but not buy them abortifacient drugs.

                        Too many people have been in Congress for too long. Or maybe it's that Congress has been Congress for too long.
                        Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                          The question is whether he'd notice the hypocrisy of supporting a legally for-profit corporation whose stated goal was not profit for its own sake but the protection of the environment but condemning another corporation that wants to provide a decent standard of living for its employees, but not buy them abortifacient drugs.

                          Too many people have been in Congress for too long. Or maybe it's that Congress has been Congress for too long.
                          In a word, no. His values are correct; your morals are not. He'd never see the hypocrisy - or the stupidity - in that position.

                          "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot


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                          • #14
                            That's the big secret. I'm always angry.

                            But seriously, proper fixation is the only true substitute for anesthesia. Anger needs to be channeled into action much more than calmed. Folk activism satisfies me...for now.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                              Political winds come and go - and Christ warned us of persecution - but in the US we ARE the government as well as the governed. If we flee, we're fleeing our duty as citizens and besides, where would we go? The US, for all its flaws, is still the freest nation on Earth and the one with religious freedom enshrined in its foundation.

                              No, this is where we stand and fight - with words, love, and perseverance. If we can't win here, don't fear for us - fear for the rest of the world which has never had the deep ties to freedom that America has flowing through her veins. If freedom cannot stand here, it cannot stand anywhere.

                              Besides, November is just around the corner. Shumer is playing to his base at a time when the majority of the nation has moved away from that base. Thanks Chuck - grist for GOP mill only makes taking the Senate more likely. The GOP is no panacea but it will bring a lot of the Democrat program to a screeching halt.

                              Don't be afraid - be vigilant. That's what Scripture teaches, after all. And no nation-state - not even the US - is in control the way that God is. He's got this - His plans are not foiled by human stupidity. Whatever comes, He is still God. Job was right - though He slay me, yet will I trust Him.
                              Freedumb caused this problem in the first place. Most people who lose dominance do so kicking and screaming. Christian conservatives gave it away on a silver platter.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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