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Michael Brown to debate Matthew Vines on Saturday

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  • Michael Brown to debate Matthew Vines on Saturday

    And here is an interview with Dr. Brown about it.

    http://www.charismanews.com/culture/...gay-christians

    This won't get the same attention the Nye-Hovind debate got, but suffice it to say I am much more optimistic about this matchup. Dr. Brown is amply qualified to discuss the scriptural implications, and I don't expect him to come off looking arrogant or unloving.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    No matter how many times people like Vines are refuted they will continue to refuse to accept what the Bible actually teaches.
    On and on they rage for a lost sinful cause.

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      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      And here is an interview with Dr. Brown about it.

      http://www.charismanews.com/culture/...gay-christians

      This won't get the same attention the Nye-Hovind debate got, but suffice it to say I am much more optimistic about this matchup. Dr. Brown is amply qualified to discuss the scriptural implications, and I don't expect him to come off looking arrogant or unloving.
      He did a great job at debating the head of the gay-advocacy group "TruthWinsOut.org", despite the fact that the head was quite the fanatical loon.
      Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

      -Thomas Aquinas

      I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

      -Hernando Cortez

      What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

      -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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        I imagine many people won't even give him a hearing because the SPLC lists him under their hate group files (unjustly in my opinion).
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          I imagine many people won't even give him a hearing because the SPLC lists him under their hate group files (unjustly in my opinion).
          The SPLC is 'also' a bunch of fanatical loons.
          Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

          -Thomas Aquinas

          I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

          -Hernando Cortez

          What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

          -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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            Is there a written transcript of this debate?

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              In the comment section "writerJerome" is trolling hard with the "ex-gay" ministries closing.
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
              Stephen R. Donaldson

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                The recording has been posted.

                http://www.moodyradio.org/radioplaye...episode=136284
                Last edited by fm93; 07-03-2014, 02:18 PM.
                Learn to do right; seek justice. Defend the oppressed. Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.--Isaiah 1:17

                I don't think that all forms o[f] slavery are inherently immoral.--seer

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                  There's a basic difference in understanding of Scripture and how the Church operates. For that reason there's no real way for them to discuss because they don't hold enough in common.

                  But there are also issues with both Brown and the moderator understanding the argument. Brown runs his mouth without actually engaging with Vines. He explicitly refuses to talk with Matthew about Paul. Gagnon's book, which is from a conservative perspective, establishes the context that Vines is talking about. But it's like Brown had never read Gagnon, which seems weird for a conservative engaging in a public discussion on this topic.

                  He also makes an untenable argument about Leviticus.

                  Brown's continuing assertions that Matthew defines himself primarily through his sexual nature are simply over the top.

                  It's worth looking at the evidence cited for successful change in orientation: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrent...-does-it-mean/ (This article is by one of the coauthors of a previous study with one of the authors.)
                  Last edited by hedrick; 06-29-2014, 10:08 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Did anybody else listen to this? I felt like an hour was woefully insufficient, especially with the radio breaks and the call-ins.
                    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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