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  • The false teaching: . . . rose from the grave to purchase a place for us in heaven.

    Jesus purchased a place in heaven ON the cross. He rose from the dead as evidence this was done. But not in order to do it. It is a false gospel to teach ". . . rose from the grave to purchase a place for us in heaven."
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

  • #2
    Who's teaching that?
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Who's teaching that?
      The Evangelism Explosion gospel.
      . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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      • #4
        Oh.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #5
          The term "false gospel" implies something that's damnable. Would somebody be damned if they had the gospel explained using the wrong atonement analogy?
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            I'm actually new to the term "Jesus purchased a place in Heaven" REGARDLESS of whether he allegedly did it on the Cross, or at the Resurrection.

            Sounds like he went shopping for a condo or something.

            What He actually said was "I go to prepare a place for you".
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #7
              The atonement completed. on the cross is nnt alleged. The resurrection and its true role is not to be alleged either.
              Last edited by 37818; 06-22-2014, 11:43 AM.
              . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                Jesus purchased a place in heaven ON the cross. He rose from the dead as evidence this was done. But not in order to do it. It is a false gospel to teach ". . . rose from the grave to purchase a place for us in heaven."
                It's not without some measure of scriptural support:

                Source: 1 Peter 1:3,4 KJV

                3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
                4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                  The atonement completed. on the cross is nnt alleged.
                  You're in "that mode" again, aren't you? Of COURSE the atonement is not "alleged" -- it's the notion that he "purchased" a place in Heaven. He's HEIR, an we are JOINT heirs with Him --- that's the part that seems weird to me - that he "purchased" a place for us.

                  The resurrection and its true role is not to be alleged either.


                  Come back when you're not so grumpy.

                  And I want to go into that.
                  Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-22-2014, 04:34 PM.
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                    It's not without some measure of scriptural support:

                    Source: 1 Peter 1:3,4 KJV

                    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
                    4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

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                    Yeah, we're talking there about our "inheritance", not something "purchased" for us. BUT, I'm certainly open to the fact that He "purchased for us" redemption, and WITH that comes...

                    I've just never heard it put that he "purchased a place in Heaven".
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      The atonement completed. on the cross is nnt alleged. The resurrection and its true role is not to be alleged either.
                      I'm having trouble understanding this post.
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        I'm having trouble understanding this post.
                        Good, I'm not alone.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                          The term "false gospel" implies something that's damnable. Would somebody be damned if they had the gospel explained using the wrong atonement analogy?
                          Is it true that by the resurrection Christ purchased salvation? If not, what is that saying about the true purchase price of salvation? Was it not competed on the cross (John 19:28-30)?

                          "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]." -- Hebrews 10:10.
                          . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                            It's not without some measure of scriptural support:

                            Source: 1 Peter 1:3,4 KJV

                            3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
                            4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

                            © Copyright Original Source

                            Explain how you understand "purchased" from " hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, . . ?"
                            . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

                            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

                            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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                            • #15
                              I understand the argument now but I can't help but think that it may be better to think of Jesus's death and his resurrection as one inseparable event. Jesus's statement "it is finished" (although said while he was still alive) does seem to indicate a sort of finality but there is certainly theological significance to the resurrection itself, as Paul appeals to it as the cornerstone of faith in 1 Corinthians 15:17: "And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. "
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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