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[foudroyant]

Try reading scripture instead of your cult's pamplets and you'll easily figure out my viewpoint. My opinion is within the realms of mainstream theology...yours is any ones guess..

Total garbage.

You are not properly classified as a Christian on this site and more importantly in heaven.

You attack God's prophet as well as His king and you have other heretical beliefs.

Yeah a lexicon is a "pamphlet"....are you that stupid?

[Obsidian]

You attack God's prophet as well as His king and you have other heretical beliefs.

As far as I can tell, Moses and David wrote about 15-20% of the Bible. Numerous other sections of the Bible also cite to their writings. Jesus cited to their writings, as did Paul. Someone cannot reasonably call himself a Christian who disbelieves the Bible. I don't see how this is very much different from Marcion's theology.

[robrecht]

As far as I can tell, Moses and David wrote about 15-20% of the Bible. Numerous other sections of the Bible also cite to their writings. Jesus cited to their writings, as did Paul. Someone cannot reasonably call himself a Christian who disbelieves the Bible. I don't see how this is very much different from Marcion's theology.

Still waiting for you to tell us of all the Christian churches that advocate for the execution of all adulterers.

[One Bad Pig]

Put away your presupposed prejudice and read what was written in the original Hebrew. One word is used to describe what occored in respect of YHWH and David. The literal reading, is that David and YHWH were worshiped in equivalence. No ifs or buts about it, if you hold to sola fide...

Yes, one of us is prejudiced here. I get that one word is used to describe what occurred in respect of YHWH and David. That doesn't prove, however, that they were worshiped as equivalent. Your interpretation flies in the face of the entire rest of the OT. It's not mainstream, by any stretch of the imagination.

[One Bad Pig]

As far as I can tell, Moses and David wrote about 15-20% of the Bible. Numerous other sections of the Bible also cite to their writings. Jesus cited to their writings, as did Paul. Someone cannot reasonably call himself a Christian who disbelieves the Bible. I don't see how this is very much different from Marcion's theology.

You'd think that Moses being one of the people at Jesus' Transfiguration would connote some sort of acceptance of his writings. As far as I can tell, apostoli's theology is quite different from Marcion's though his views of the OT share some affinity with him. At any rate, I haven't seen him argue for a god other than YHWH.

[robrecht]

You'd think that Moses being one of the people at Jesus' Transfiguration would connote some sort of acceptance of his writings. As far as I can tell, apostoli's theology is quite different from Marcion's though his views of the OT share some affinity with him. At any rate, I haven't seen him argue for a god other than YHWH.

I think the core of what apostoli is advocating is nothing more than a very traditional prophetic critique of any royal theology that exaggerated a quasi divine status of the king. This prophetic perspective is indeed mainstream in the Jewish scriptures, but some do not acknowledge or agree about the extent to which some kind of Ancient Near Eastern quasi divine royal theology may also have been operative in ancient Israel and whether or not it also left traces that can be seen in scripture.

ETA: 2nd 'prophetic', before 'perspective' to clarify what I consider mainstream biblical prophetic theology.

[One Bad Pig]

I think the core of what apostoli is advocating is nothing more than a very traditional prophetic critique of any royal theology that exaggerated a quasi divine status of the king. This perspective is indeed mainstream in the Jewish scriptures, but some do not acknowledge or agree about the extent to which some kind of Ancient Near Eastern quasi divine royal theology may also have been operative in ancient Israel and whether or not it also left traces that can be seen in scripture.

This may be mainstream in modern(ist) biblical scholarship, but it is hardly mainstream Christian belief.

[robrecht]

This may be mainstream in modern(ist) biblical scholarship, but it is hardly mainstream Christian belief.

What part exactly? Recall Samuel's, and God's, perspective on Israel's request for a king. It was seen as rejecting God. That is what I am referring to as foundational for the mainstream perspective of the prophets in the Jewish scriptures. As for the traces of quasi divine royal theology being operative to some extent in ancient Israel, that may indeed be mainstream in modern biblical scholarship, but that is not what I was referring to as mainstream within the Jewish scriptures, quite the contrary. I also think this is why Jesus' preaching of the Kingdom of God was more biblical than royal or priestly messianic paradigms.

ETA: Please note I added the word 'prophetic' to my previous post because I realized you may have misconstrued what I was saying on account of my ambiguous use of 'this perspective', which now reads 'this prophetic perspective'. That is the perspective that I consider mainstream among the prophets, among whom was Samuel, the first to be confronted with a king in Israel. It is important to note that the book of Samuel is considered a prophetic book in the Jewish scriptures. It is history interpreted from a prophetic perspective.

[apostoli]

Total garbage.

You are not properly classified as a Christian on this site and more importantly in heaven.

You attack God's prophet as well as His king and you have other heretical beliefs.

Yeah a lexicon is a "pamphlet"....are you that stupid?

Have another drink, and sink into your cesspit!!! Your ignorance of scripture is astounding, your ignorance of Christianity more so... I'm inclined to flush you as I do with any effluent but maybe there is hope for you...so...

[apostoli]

As far as I can tell, Moses and David wrote about 15-20% of the Bible. Numerous other sections of the Bible also cite to their writings. Jesus cited to their writings, as did Paul. Someone cannot reasonably call himself a Christian who disbelieves the Bible. I don't see how this is very much different from Marcion's theology.

Pointedly, the first canon of the bible is attributed to Marcion. Which caused the orthodox churches to formulate a canon of their own.

Obviously, you have no idea of what Marcion taught or thought. Though he and you have much in common in your selectiveness in what scriptures you accept or reject. I accept the entire orthodox canon verbatim (in their original languages) that has been passed down to us from the ancient fathers.

[apostoli]

I think the core of what apostoli is advocating is nothing more than a very traditional prophetic critique of any royal theology that exaggerated a quasi divine status of the king. This perspective is indeed mainstream in the Jewish scriptures, but some do not acknowledge or agree about the extent to which some kind of Ancient Near Eastern quasi divine royal theology may also have been operative in ancient Israel and whether or not it also left traces that can be seen in scripture.

Thankyou...

[apostoli]

This may be mainstream in modern(ist) biblical scholarship, but it is hardly mainstream Christian belief.

Actually in theology it is thoroughly mainstream and has been since the day dot!!! For instance: How is Ps 45:6 (Heb 1:8) to be understood. The Hebrew is said to be ambiguous. The preferred translation in informed theology is "God is your throne", else Ps 45:6 is declaring David as God absolute...

[foudroyant]

Have another drink, and sink into your cesspit!!! Your ignorance of scripture is astounding, your ignorance of Christianity more so... I'm inclined to flush you as I do with any effluent but maybe there is hope for you...so...

Don't blame me for being a heretic.

[apostoli]

Don't blame me for being a heretic.

Applause!!! You admit it!!!! Your first step towards becoming a Christian.

[foudroyant]

figured you'd take the bait and roll in the mire with it.

learn the dynamics of the english language.