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  • Moses didn't set up a king. You are just truly ignorant of what you criticize.

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    • Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      Moses didn't set up a king. You are just truly ignorant of what you criticize.
      Moses made provision in his ordinances for a King to be established (Deut 17) !!! You are just truly ignorant of scripture and what you criticize!!!!!!
      Last edited by apostoli; 06-24-2014, 07:39 PM.

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      • Originally posted by apostoli View Post
        Very true = vs21. But notice what happens afterwards...

        In any case the fact remains that the text (vs20) in the original Hebrew, has it that the King and YHWH were worshiped equivalently.
        No, that's you reading into the text. They were both worshiped. That's all it says. The context (vv. 20a, 21, and 22) mentioning only God shows your interpretation is off-base.
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        • Originally posted by apostoli View Post
          Moses made provision in his ordinances for a King to be established (Deut 17) !!! You are just truly ignorant of scripture and what you criticize!!!!!!
          Which is not at all the same thing as setting up a king.
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          • Originally posted by apostoli View Post
            So you deny the explicit statement of scripture (1Ch 29:20) that David was worshiped in equivalence to God?

            Already responded to you here in Post #10 but you still regurgitate the same old puke.

            http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...inism-amp-Paul




            1. and seat two worthless men before him, and let them testify against him, saying, 'You cursed God and the king.' Then take him out and stone him to death. (1 Kings 21:10, NASB)

            Cursing God exceeds in evil to that of cursing the king.


            2. My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those who are given to change (Proverbs 24:21, NASB)

            One's fear of God ought to exceed one's fear of the king.
            Last edited by foudroyant; 06-24-2014, 09:33 PM.

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            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              No, that's you reading into the text. They were both worshiped. That's all it says. The context (vv. 20a, 21, and 22) mentioning only God shows your interpretation is off-base.
              Put away your presupposed prejudice and read what was written in the original Hebrew. One word is used to describe what occored in respect of YHWH and David. The literal reading, is that David and YHWH were worshiped in equivalence. No ifs or buts about it, if you hold to sola fide...

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              • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Which is not at all the same thing as setting up a king.
                The Israelites had no necessity for a king. In scripture it states that YHWH was their King, Moses, the judges etc were mere functionaries...and given their corruption were totally ignorable...

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                • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                  Already responded to you here in Post #10 but you still regurgitate the same old puke.
                  Interesting. You assume the inspired scriptures are puke...

                  Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                  1. and seat two worthless men before him, and let them testify against him, saying, 'You cursed God and the king.' Then take him out and stone him to death. (1 Kings 21:10, NASB)

                  Cursing God exceeds in evil to that of cursing the king.


                  2. My son, fear the LORD and the king; Do not associate with those who are given to change (Proverbs 24:21, NASB)

                  One's fear of God ought to exceed one's fear of the king.
                  I have no objection to your two cites. However, the reality was/is that the king could kill you at his will...Which in all probability is why the people worshiped the King (cp. Deut 32:39).

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                  • Originally posted by apostoli View Post
                    Interesting. You assume the inspired scriptures are puke...

                    I have no objection to your two cites. However, the reality was/is that the king could kill you at his will...Which in all probability is why the people worshiped the King (cp. Deut 32:39).
                    No, your twisted views concerning the Bible are puke.
                    They did not worship the king in equivalence to God. You asserted it was in equivalence (Post #190). This is false.

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                    • Apostoli, I don't really understand what connection this has with the previous discussion, other than showing that you consider David a false prophet as well as Moses. Besides the New Testament, it is not clear to me what parts of the Bible you actually claim to believe.

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                      • Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                        Apostoli, I don't really understand what connection this has with the previous discussion, other than showing that you consider David a false prophet as well as Moses. Besides the New Testament, it is not clear to me what parts of the Bible you actually claim to believe.

                        That's because his heresy is a huge convoluted mess. It's so contorted I don't think he can even figure it out.
                        Last edited by foudroyant; 06-25-2014, 06:03 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                          No, your twisted views concerning the Bible are puke.
                          They did not worship the king in equivalence to God. You asserted it was in equivalence (Post #190). This is false.
                          Read the text, preferably in the original Hebrew. What was granted to YHWH
                          (apart from the sacrafices) was granted to the King = they were both worshiped...no ifs or buts about it. That was how the text was written and how it is to be read...

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                          • Already addressed in Points #1 and #2 in Post #200.

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                            • Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                              Apostoli, I don't really understand what connection this has with the previous discussion, other than showing that you consider David a false prophet as well as Moses
                              I don't consider Moses or David as false prophets!

                              Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                              Besides the New Testament, it is not clear to me what parts of the Bible you actually claim to believe.
                              I believe it all within its context!

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                              • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                                That's because his heresy is a huge convoluted mess. It's so contorted I don't think he can even figure it out.
                                Try reading scripture instead of your cult's pamplets and you'll easily figure out my viewpoint. My opinion is within the realms of mainstream theology...yours is any ones guess..

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