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  • #31
    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I was thinking of going there. I'm in a church group that meets in a synagogue. So, our church organization could not choose on its own to defy unconstitutional orders.
    Oh, I know you will hear God's word divided rightly there!

    If you go, wave at the camera and say hi! I'll be watching!


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    • #32
      Originally posted by Grace Community Church news
      The City of Los Angeles through a cease and desist letter has threatened Grace Community Church and Pastor MacArthur specifically with a daily fine of $1000 or arrest.
      Source: https://www.gracechurch.org/news/posts/1996

      On the upside, according to that news article Grace Church's defence lawyers have a good solid case against the City of Los Angeles.
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      • #33
        I've been trying to find any reports of other churches who have defied the governor being threatened in the same way, and I haven't been able to find any at this point in time.


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        • #34
          California used to be a beautiful place. But unless you're one of the rich or their underpaid serfs willing to live in a bunkhouse, it's too expensive to live there. I got out a few years ago. I can't stand the politicians and corporate warlords who destroyed my home of 37 years
          "Some people feel guilty about their anxieties and regard them as a defect of faith but they are afflictions, not sins. Like all afflictions, they are, if we can so take them, our share in the passion of Christ." - That Guy Everyone Quotes

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          • #35
            Originally posted by hamster View Post
            California used to be a beautiful place. But unless you're one of the rich or their underpaid serfs willing to live in a bunkhouse, it's too expensive to live there. I got out a few years ago. I can't stand the politicians and corporate warlords who destroyed my home of 37 years
            Sorry to hear you had to move, but it's nice hearing from you again!

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            • #36
              This is a development I don't think I expected.

              Thomas More Society Special Counsel Jenna Ellis and Charles LiMandri filed suit in the Superior Court of the State of California County of Los Angeles on behalf of Pastor John MacArthur and Grace Community Church against Governor Gavin Newsom, Attorney General Xavier Becerra, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, and other California and Los Angeles County public health officials.

              The suit seeks to prohibit California from enforcing its unconstitutional and onerous coronavirus pandemic regulations against Grace Community Church and seeks a judgment that the health orders violate the California Constitution.

              The complaint states that the American people have begun to see that they are being cheated by their own government. “They have witnessed how the onerous restrictions imposed on them by public officials to allegedly fight the COVID-19 pandemic simply do not apply to certain, favored groups. When many went to the streets to engage in ‘political protests’ against ‘racism’ and ‘police brutality,’ these protestors refused to comply with the pandemic restrictions. Instead of enforcing the public health orders, public officials were all too eager to grant a de facto exception for these favored protestors.”

              “Having irreparably damaged the confidence of Americans – and Californians especially – who now realize that the pandemic restrictions are neither necessary nor good, on Sunday, July 26, 2020, Grace Community Church decided to resume worship services—joining millions of Americans in deciding that enough is enough. With deaths from the ‘COVID-19 suicide pandemic’ exceeding those from the actual coronavirus pandemic, Grace

              Community Church decided that it would no longer sit by and watch its congregants and their children suffer from an absence of religious worship and instruction. Perhaps unsurprisingly – perhaps not – this led the County of Los Angeles to submit a demand letter to Grace Community Church, ordering it to comply with the restrictions that Los Angeles County deems unnecessary to enforce against so many others. Grace Community Church does not intend to comply.”

              According to attorneys for the church it is time for California to recognize that Christians are not second-class citizens, and the court must step in to do its job applying the protections the U.S. and California State Constitutions provide to every individual equally and to churches in particular.

              Pastor MacArthur opened the Sunday morning service on August 9, welcoming worshippers to “the Grace Community Church peaceful protest.” He was met with a standing ovation and extended applause from the congregation. Pastor MacArthur said of the lawsuit, “We are simply continuing to do today what we have done for the past 63 years that Grace Community Church has been open to welcome the Los Angeles community and serve their spiritual needs. We will remain open and teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all who decide they want to come worship with us.”

              https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/pa...of-california/


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              • #37
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                This is a development I don't think I expected.

                Thomas More Society Special Counsel Jenna Ellis and Charles LiMandri filed suit in the Superior Court of the State of California County of Los Angeles on behalf of Pastor John MacArthur and Grace Community Church against Governor Gavin Newsom, Attorney General Xavier Becerra, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, and other California and Los Angeles County public health officials.

                The suit seeks to prohibit California from enforcing its unconstitutional and onerous coronavirus pandemic regulations against Grace Community Church and seeks a judgment that the health orders violate the California Constitution.

                The complaint states that the American people have begun to see that they are being cheated by their own government. “They have witnessed how the onerous restrictions imposed on them by public officials to allegedly fight the COVID-19 pandemic simply do not apply to certain, favored groups. When many went to the streets to engage in ‘political protests’ against ‘racism’ and ‘police brutality,’ these protestors refused to comply with the pandemic restrictions. Instead of enforcing the public health orders, public officials were all too eager to grant a de facto exception for these favored protestors.”

                “Having irreparably damaged the confidence of Americans – and Californians especially – who now realize that the pandemic restrictions are neither necessary nor good, on Sunday, July 26, 2020, Grace Community Church decided to resume worship services—joining millions of Americans in deciding that enough is enough. With deaths from the ‘COVID-19 suicide pandemic’ exceeding those from the actual coronavirus pandemic, Grace

                Community Church decided that it would no longer sit by and watch its congregants and their children suffer from an absence of religious worship and instruction. Perhaps unsurprisingly – perhaps not – this led the County of Los Angeles to submit a demand letter to Grace Community Church, ordering it to comply with the restrictions that Los Angeles County deems unnecessary to enforce against so many others. Grace Community Church does not intend to comply.”

                According to attorneys for the church it is time for California to recognize that Christians are not second-class citizens, and the court must step in to do its job applying the protections the U.S. and California State Constitutions provide to every individual equally and to churches in particular.

                Pastor MacArthur opened the Sunday morning service on August 9, welcoming worshippers to “the Grace Community Church peaceful protest.” He was met with a standing ovation and extended applause from the congregation. Pastor MacArthur said of the lawsuit, “We are simply continuing to do today what we have done for the past 63 years that Grace Community Church has been open to welcome the Los Angeles community and serve their spiritual needs. We will remain open and teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to all who decide they want to come worship with us.”

                https://www.thomasmoresociety.org/pa...of-california/
                Wow, good on them!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #38
                  Grace Church won its case against a restraining order! Amen!

                  Source: https://www.facebook.com/SO4JTV/phot...type=3&theater
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                  • #39
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                    • #40
                      More information, straight from Grace Church's news page:

                      https://www.gracechurch.org/news/posts/2002

                      Though the full hearing is set for early September, for now they're fine to stay open as long as everyone does their social distancing mask thingie.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
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                        Glad to hear that, though I do hope they continue with physical distancing the congregation and using masks as long as there's an outbreak.

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                        • #42
                          It seems the county officials won't let up so easily...



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                          • #43
                            LA County won the appeal.

                            It won't end here.



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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                              LA County won the appeal.

                              It won't end here.

                              Stinkin' Californicators.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by The Melody Maker View Post
                                Stinkin' Californicators.
                                It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.


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