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    • Doc Brown notes recent SCOTUS ruling is good, but concerning.

      It should not have been a narrow 5-4 win. (Unsurprisingly, Roberts joined the dissent-turds.)

      Brown also expressed concern over the reasoning of the 'turds, expressed by Kagan. Essentially, their view is that certain gatherings -- in this case religious ones -- can be targeted because not all gatherings are created equal.

      I actually agree with Kagan, but reach the opposite conclusion.

      As pretty much of a textualist and literalist wrt the Constitution, I find it clear that religious gatherings are to be afforded *more* liberty than "hardware stores and hair salons," in that the latter are in categories not sufficiently important to warrant clear and explicit protection in the very first clause of the First Amendment, or anywhere else in the Constitution.

      The "fairness" idea -- that the main argument against restriction of "religious" gatherings is that such gatherings are being treated "unequally" compared to various places of business -- is a fundamental weakness of those arguments.
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      • Here, I will defend MacArthur again.

        I came across an interesting criticism from a pro-life organization called Abolish Human Abortion that accused MacArthur of hypocrisy because in the past, he has ordered obeying of laws against protesting near abortion clinics, but seems to be taking a different tack here.

        I would say the difference here is that one can still protest abortion within the confines of the law, whereas there is less gray area in a law outright prohibiting church services. Also, attending church is a biblical directive whereas physically protesting abortion clinics is not.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          Here, I will defend MacArthur again.

          I came across an interesting criticism from a pro-life organization called Abolish Human Abortion that accused MacArthur of hypocrisy because in the past, he has ordered obeying of laws against protesting near abortion clinics, but seems to be taking a different tack here.

          I would say the difference here is that one can still protest abortion within the confines of the law, whereas there is less gray area in a law outright prohibiting church services. Also, attending church is a biblical directive whereas physically protesting abortion clinics is not.
          But those laws themselves should be opposed, if not on Biblical grounds, then on patriotic Constitutional grounds. Unless the sidewalks in front of the
          clinics are private property, such laws are government infringement on free speech and free assembly.
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          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

            But those laws themselves should be opposed, if not on Biblical grounds, then on patriotic Constitutional grounds. Unless the sidewalks in front of the
            clinics are private property, such laws are government infringement on free speech and free assembly.
            I don't know the specifics of this case well enough to say. It might even have been one of the groups that physically blocked access to the building. Either way, there is wisdom in choosing hills to die on.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

              I don't know the specifics of this case well enough to say. It might even have been one of the groups that physically blocked access to the building. Either way, there is wisdom in choosing hills to die on.
              There's even greater wisdom in choosing NOT to die on certain hills.
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              • California's Newsom ordered to pay $1.35M in settlement with LA-area church over coronavirus restrictions

                The settlement amount is to repay the church's attorney costs and fees in the lawsuit brought against Newsom’s administration last summer.

                California Gov. Gavin Newsom has been ordered to pay $1.35 million in a settlement reached earlier this month with a Los Angeles-area church over a lawsuit related to the state's coronavirus restrictions.

                Under the terms of the settlement, Newsom’s administration can no longer place pandemic restrictions on houses of worship, according to local newspaper Pasadena Now.

                Mat Staver, founder of the Liberty Counsel, which represented the Harvest Rock Church of Pasadena, called Newsom the "worst governor in America" for religious liberty, according to the Washington Examiner.





                "The church stayed open [during the lockdown], and the pastor and parishioners were threatened with daily criminal charges that were up to a year in prison," he said.

                The settlement amount is to repay the church's attorney costs and fees in the lawsuit brought against Newsom’s administration last summer.

                "After nearly a yearlong battle defending our religious freedoms, our lawsuit has reached a permanent settlement in our favor," the Rev. Ché Ahn, founder of the church, said in a statement, according to the Patch. "I am thrilled to see the complete reversal of the last discriminatory restrictions against churches in California."

                Newsom ordered non-essential businesses (of which churches were classified) to close in March 2020 in the first-in-the-nation lockdown as the virus began to spread across the state. In May of last year, the state amended the restrictions to allow 25% capacity in churches as long as it didn’t exceed 100 people.

                The case brought by the church made it to the U.S. Supreme Court in February, according to Pasadena Now. In a 6-3 ruling, the court decided the church could allow 200 worshippers inside but said bans against singing and chanting could remain.

                Newsom will likely face a recall election in the fall launched by critics of his coronavirus restrictions.
                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gav...s-restrictions

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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  California's Newsom ordered to pay $1.35M in settlement with LA-area church over coronavirus restrictions

                  The settlement amount is to repay the church's attorney costs and fees in the lawsuit brought against Newsom’s administration last summer.

                  California Gov. Gavin Newsom has been ordered to pay $1.35 million in a settlement reached earlier this month with a Los Angeles-area church over a lawsuit related to the state's coronavirus restrictions.

                  Under the terms of the settlement, Newsom’s administration can no longer place pandemic restrictions on houses of worship, according to local newspaper Pasadena Now.

                  Mat Staver, founder of the Liberty Counsel, which represented the Harvest Rock Church of Pasadena, called Newsom the "worst governor in America" for religious liberty, according to the Washington Examiner.





                  "The church stayed open [during the lockdown], and the pastor and parishioners were threatened with daily criminal charges that were up to a year in prison," he said.

                  The settlement amount is to repay the church's attorney costs and fees in the lawsuit brought against Newsom’s administration last summer.

                  "After nearly a yearlong battle defending our religious freedoms, our lawsuit has reached a permanent settlement in our favor," the Rev. Ché Ahn, founder of the church, said in a statement, according to the Patch. "I am thrilled to see the complete reversal of the last discriminatory restrictions against churches in California."

                  Newsom ordered non-essential businesses (of which churches were classified) to close in March 2020 in the first-in-the-nation lockdown as the virus began to spread across the state. In May of last year, the state amended the restrictions to allow 25% capacity in churches as long as it didn’t exceed 100 people.

                  The case brought by the church made it to the U.S. Supreme Court in February, according to Pasadena Now. In a 6-3 ruling, the court decided the church could allow 200 worshippers inside but said bans against singing and chanting could remain.

                  Newsom will likely face a recall election in the fall launched by critics of his coronavirus restrictions.
                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gav...s-restrictions
                  That article makes it sound like that Newsom will personally have to pay the fine.

                  And the recall appears to be sputtering as the threat of the Chicom coronavirus is starting to fade

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                    And the recall appears to be sputtering as the threat of the Chicom coronavirus is starting to fade
                    Yeah, Fox News reported current polls are something like 57-42 opposed to recall.
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                    • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                      Yeah, Fox News reported current polls are something like 57-42 opposed to recall.
                      Of course with summer being just around the corner and experts predicting a return of rolling blackouts that could flip again.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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