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2 Thess 2:11 The Great Delusion = social media?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Not just "appears" to be untrue

    Source: US election: Viral photos claim Donald Trump stealing mailboxes


    A series of viral photos have been misleadingly used to spread claims that US President Donald Trump is attempting to sabotage the US Postal Service to steal the upcoming election.

    Mr Trump has voiced concerns in recent weeks about Democrats’ push for expanded mail-in voting, arguing it will lead to a rise in voter fraud.

    He argues he is not opposed to absentee ballots, which the voter must apply for, but rather universal mail-in voting schemes in states like California and Nevada, where ballots are automatically sent to every registered voter.

    Democrats say they want more people to cast mail-in ballots to prevent exposure to the coronavirus. They have accused Mr Trump of attempting to suppress the vote – and pre-emptively cast doubt on the results should he lose.

    Former President Barack Obama has accused his successor of trying to “actively handicap” the Post Office, while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has called an emergency sitting of the House of Representatives next week to address to supposed crisis.

    Comments by Donald Trump last week appeared to vindicate the conspiracy theories, with the President saying he opposed Democrats’ push for more funding for the Post Office because “that means you can’t have universal mail-in voting”.

    As the hysteria grows – more than 100 protesters gathered outside the North Carolina home of postmaster general Louis DeJoy earlier this week – photos of mailboxes being locked or removed on flatbed trucks have flooded social media as supposed evidence of the scheme.

    One hugely viral tweet posted by former basketball player Rex Chapman this week showing locked mailboxes was retweeted more than 25,000 times. “Burbank, California. In your entire life have you ever seen a LOCKED mailbox at the USPS?” he wrote. “Now you have. A disgrace and immediate threat to American democracy. Shame on them. Shame on the GOP.”

    The tweet was quickly debunked, with a 2016 news article explaining mailboxes had been locked in the same fashion after a series of “fishing” thefts. “We do this where we have had incidents, or there is a problem where the box may be out in a not very well lit public place,” a spokesman said at the time. “The boxes have been retrofitted all over Southern California.”

    Another social media user also chimed in. “This is my post office,” she wrote. “These mailboxes are open on the other side, you just have to get out of your car to mail them. It’s been this way for months. This isn’t part of the purge.”

    In another massively viral tweet, activist Thomas Kennedy posted a Reuters photo of mailboxes stacked in an industrial yard. “Photo taken in Wisconsin,” he wrote. “This is happening right before our eyes. They are sabotaging USPS to sabotage vote by mail. This is massive voter suppression and part of their plan to steal the election.”

    But in a lengthy thread, photojournalist Gary He explained that the photo was taken at Hartford Finishing Inc., a company which powder coats and refurbishes old mailboxes. “They have been there for years,” he said.

    He accused Reuters of being deliberately misleading by sending a photographer to take pictures but posting them to its wire service labelling the site as just as an “industrial lot”. “To find this location on Google, you have to search for ‘Hartford Finishing’,” he wrote.

    “It’s a side road, not like you can spot the mailboxes from a highway. The sign for the business is 20 feet away from the mailboxes. To omit all this from the caption is journalistic malpractice.” He added that “telling the full story and context is everything”. “This is an intentional omission,” he said.

    “Especially since Reuters is a wire service, other news (organisations) are going to use these pictures as evidence of Trump tampering with the USPS. When it’s later revealed that it was just a place where mailboxes get refurbished, trust in news organisations is further eroded.”

    A Reuters spokesperson told National Review that the initial captions only “provided brief details” and had now been updated. The captions now state that the boxes are stacked at a “sandblasting and painting company”, but adds “people who live nearby said the pile had grown noticeably larger in recent weeks”.

    A fact check by USA Today noted that a Google Street View image from August 2019 shows stacks of mailboxes far larger than the ones in the viral photos. “The photo in question is of a vendor we have done business with for several years,” a USPS spokesperson said. “They are a contractor that repairs or destroys old collection boxes. They now make new collection boxes also. Photos such as this appear every couple of years.”

    While the USPS says it routinely reviews and removes underused mailboxes as mail volumes continued to decline, it announced last week that it would suspend all removals for 90 days “given the recent customer concerns”.



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    What frustrates me the most is that the focus is on easily debunked facts whereas nobody is talking about the fact that he owns millions of dollars in competitor's stocks.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #17


      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      Darfius proposed a theory that the Mandela effect was the sign of the Great Delusion of 2 Thess 2:11.

      I don't hold this belief because it has psychological explanations for it. However, my theory of what it is also has to do with a type of psychological effect and might not be any less spectacular.

      The fact is we're seeing a great divide between political parties. Both sides of this divide are not looking at facts the same and interpreting situations in completely different ways. IOW, it's like they're creating two completely different realities of any given situation.

      Just one among thousands of examples is the Ahmaud Arbery situation. Two political parties looking at two completely different realities of the exact same event and interpreting the facts completely different. Now, obviously, since I'm a conservative, my belief is that the left's reality is the false reality. Obviously Christians that are left bent will disagree with that. The bottom line is that the two realities can't be the same. One of them is false.

      I think this is a result of social media and it's weird effects its having on the populace in how they view reality. Almost like a mass brainwashing effect for lack of a better word, and because we access this media 24/7, and because the facts are being shared and interpreted by the collective, instead of by a central authority, it's worse than any type of media we previously had.

      My theory is that this may be at least the shadow of the Great Delusion. I'm not saying that this is THE delusion right in this time and place, but that this may be a microcosm of what it will be and how its deception will work on the multiples. Right now we're just seeing tiny remnants of it. It will be a result of the internet and it will shape a type of reality that is false, only when THE delusion comes it will be much greater in magnitude than we're seeing now.
      Just reiterating what was said in the OP and how right I think this assessment was with what we've seen in the last year (with many more examples of this). Only I would add MSM to this deception apparatus. MSM both in conjunction with social media literally create stories that are based on pure lies, thus creating a two-tier reality between political divides, and as a result affecting our society in a very consequential way. I guess the main point I'm making here is that 2 Thess 2 could never be fulfilled in any other generation in its pure literal sense other than in our technological age.
      "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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      • #18
        Originally posted by seanD View Post




        Just reiterating what was said in the OP and how right I think this assessment was with what we've seen in the last year (with many more examples of this). Only I would add MSM to this deception apparatus. MSM both in conjunction with social media literally create stories that are based on pure lies, thus creating a two-tier reality between political divides, and as a result affecting our society in a very consequential way. I guess the main point I'm making here is that 2 Thess 2 could never be fulfilled in any other generation in its pure literal sense other than in our technological age.
        I think our theories are complementary rather than mutually exclusive.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Darfius View Post

          I think our theories are complementary rather than mutually exclusive.
          They're close, but have stark differences.

          One theory (my theory) assumes that reality isn't actually changing, but that a collective is believing a reality that is false.

          The other theory assumes reality has actually changed, therefore everyone believes the same false reality.
          "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by seanD View Post

            They're close, but have stark differences.

            One theory (my theory) assumes that reality isn't actually changing, but that a collective is believing a reality that is false.

            The other theory assumes reality has actually changed, therefore everyone believes the same false reality.
            Not everyone. I think the elect can see through the deception in both (complementary) scenarios. I think both that reality is changing and that even in the agreed upon reality, they are manipulating the truth. Both devices serve the same end: to have people lose faith in objective truth and submit to groupthink in preparation for accepting the mark of the beast and the hive mind.

            I understand that you do not accept the reality of the Mandela effect, but I suppose emphasis should be placed on "I think" our theories are complementary, because if the Mandela effect is accepted as a real phenomenon, then the two theories coexist because it is obvious what you are describing is occurring.

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            • #21
              Given that 2nd Thessalonians 2 in context is talking about the man of sin, apostasy etc. not sure how social media fits into all that. Now of course social media can be used for evil, but nothing is evil and of itself (Titus 1:15; Romans 14:14). Social media is a two edge sword. It can be used to spread the Gospel as well as connect to those who are far apart. The basic principle should be as believers is to use it for the glory of God (Colossians 3:17; 1st Corinthians 10:31).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by ReformedApologist View Post
                Given that 2nd Thessalonians 2 in context is talking about the man of sin, apostasy etc. not sure how social media fits into all that. Now of course social media can be used for evil, but nothing is evil and of itself (Titus 1:15; Romans 14:14). Social media is a two edge sword. It can be used to spread the Gospel as well as connect to those who are far apart. The basic principle should be as believers is to use it for the glory of God (Colossians 3:17; 1st Corinthians 10:31).
                I agree. We don't know how it's going to play out in the end. I believe that what we're seeing now is the shadow, but shadows can often distort the actual object casting the shadow. What the shadow tells us is just how a large modern populace (in a scientific, "fact based" era no less) can be deceived to believe a false reality almost instantly, and it doesn't necessarily have to be a manifested miraculous event for it to happen.
                "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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