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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Both wiki and about.com should be taken with a grain of salt IMO. The Orthodox Church celebrates the Dormition (falling asleep) of Mary on August 15th. In Orthodox iconography, Mary's body is depicted on her death-bed, beyond which can be seen Christ holding her soul (depicted as a baby in swaddling clothes) in His arms. It is believed that Mary was resurrected with the body we will receive in the general resurrection within three days of her death. As far as I can tell, the Catholic tradition is less well-defined; Pope Pius XII (in 1950) dogmatised that she was assumed into heaven, but AFAIK does not state whether that happened before or after death.
    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Alleged incident.
      Any claim of a miracle from God used to verify that the Catholic church is the true church is to be rejected...unless of course the RCC repents of its heresies.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
        Any claim of a miracle from God used to verify that the Catholic church is the true church is to be rejected...unless of course the RCC repents of its heresies.
        I see you still haven't learned from last time, eh?
        Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

        -Thomas Aquinas

        I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

        -Hernando Cortez

        What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by TimelessTheist View Post
          I see you still haven't learned from last time, eh?
          you have to get into foudroyant logic. "Thou Must believe as I prescribe or else its Satanic!!!!"
          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
          George Bernard Shaw

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TimelessTheist View Post
            I see you still haven't learned from last time, eh?
            Learned what?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
              you have to get into foudroyant logic. "Thou Must believe as I prescribe or else its Satanic!!!!"
              When prayer is offered unto anyone but God then it is Satanic.

              Here is another Satanic doctrine:

              By the sacrament of Baptism, whenever it is properly conferred in the way the Lord determined and received with the proper dispositions of soul, man becomes truly incorporated into the crucified and glorified Christ and is reborn to a sharing of the divine life (Decree on Ecumenism, chap. 3, II, 22, p. 427).

              Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were saved before they were water baptized.

              That's two heresies so far.
              Last edited by foudroyant; 05-16-2014, 08:45 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                When prayer is offered unto anyone but God then it is Satanic.
                Didn't we already deal with this in the "Catholic Problems" thread?
                Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

                -Thomas Aquinas

                I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

                -Hernando Cortez

                What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

                -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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                • #38
                  Since KB asked about the RCC then such a topic ought to come into play.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by TimelessTheist View Post
                    I see you still haven't learned from last time, eh?
                    Be glad you missed the Jude 3b experience. All he ever did was beat the anti-Catholic drum. Foudroyant at least branches out into other topics.
                    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                    • #40
                      Catholics in general don't worship Mary (some Catholics in certain parts of the world come mighty close to it, if they don't go totally over the line). I wish Protestants would stop saying things like that.

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                      • #41
                        How is it not worshiping her when multi-millions of Catholics pray to her?

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                        • #42
                          I'm not sold on the idea of praying to dead saints, but in theory praying to her is the same as asking a living friend here on earth to intercede on your behalf in prayer. Mary and the rest of the saints merely plead your case before God and it's God who brings about deliverance.

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                          • #43
                            If I ask a person on earth to intercede on my behalf can that person:
                            a. Know exactly what I am asking for every time I ask if I ask silently? (prayer can be done silently)
                            b. Know exactly what I am asking for if 100 million other people were to ask at the same time as me?

                            It's not the same thing nor is it even close to being the same thing.
                            Last edited by foudroyant; 05-16-2014, 11:22 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                              If I ask a person on earth to intercede on my behalf can that person:
                              a. Know exactly what I am asking for every time I ask if I ask silently? (prayer can be done silently)
                              b. Know exactly what I am asking for if 100 million other people were to ask at the same time as me?

                              It's not the same thing nor is it even close to being the same thing.
                              Already dealt with before. Not my fault if you choose to ignore it.
                              Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

                              -Thomas Aquinas

                              I love to travel, But hate to arrive.

                              -Hernando Cortez

                              What is the good of experience if you do not reflect?

                              -Frederick 2, Holy Roman Emperor

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                                Couldn't we say that about all the churches we belong to though? we are Christian in spite of the (fill in the blank church) because its Jesus that saved us and not the Church?
                                A problem arises when the Catholic theology claims that the Catholic church is the true church. (Which of course isn't a claim unique to Catholicism).

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