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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, let me be clear - I don't think the creeds are "unnecessary" per se, but I see no need to repeat them in every service. That is what I was referring to as unnecessary.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEvangelicals tend to disdain creeds as empty formulas, and prefer to rely on scripture alone. Creeds are a "tradition of men" and thus avoided, even if the content of a particular creed is not objectionable.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOut of curiosity, why do you see them as unnecessary given that Paul recites at least two creeds in his writings?
And, let me be clear - I don't think the creeds are "unnecessary" per se, but I see no need to repeat them in every service. That is what I was referring to as unnecessary.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostWhy unnecessary?
The creeds and confessions seem to be a compact way of remembering key details of Christian doctrine.
For most of my life, I wasn't paying attention to the creeds and confessions. But now I would say these are useful. It is rather easy to miss the key elements -- especially for younger Christians.
Your question was about Evangelicals... and we are not defined by which creed, if any, we recite.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think "disdain" might be too strong a word. While I find them unnecessary, I certainly don't "disdain" them.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think "disdain" might be too strong a word. While I find them unnecessary, I certainly don't "disdain" them.
For most of my life, I wasn't paying attention to the creeds and confessions. But now I would say these are useful. It is rather easy to miss the key elements -- especially for younger Christians.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostOn a personal level, that makes little sense to me because one could say the same thing about the hymns they sing.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think "disdain" might be too strong a word. While I find them unnecessary, I certainly don't "disdain" them.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEvangelicals tend to disdain creeds as empty formulas, and prefer to rely on scripture alone. Creeds are a "tradition of men" and thus avoided, even if the content of a particular creed is not objectionable.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostEvangelicals tend to disdain creeds as empty formulas, and prefer to rely on scripture alone. Creeds are a "tradition of men" and thus avoided, even if the content of a particular creed is not objectionable.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostDo you mean that Evangelicals would not generally agree with the content of the Apostle's Creed or do you just mean that such Evangelicals just don't tend to want to confess creeds within the church services? (that they don't like such formalities?)
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI think it's fairly compatible with what I posted; a rejection of ritual and rejection of creeds tend to go hand in hand. There are exceptions, as KG noted, but Evangelicals are usually contrasted with mainline protestantism.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI think it's fairly compatible with what I posted;
a rejection of ritual and rejection of creeds tend to go hand in hand.
And it's not so much that we oppose anything IN the creed - just that we don't recite it. (But you already know that)
There are exceptions, as KG noted, but Evangelicals are usually contrasted with mainline protestantism.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhich is why I like the definition I posted.
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