Definition of Evangelical

[Cow Poke]

What a sad period for cars. I remember IN the 80s hating how cars looked back then.

Yup.... my dad bought a Ford Maverick ("the simple machine") because it was supposed to be easy to work on. His front shocks went out, and he asked me to replace them. Instead of them being BOLTED into the fender cowling, they were RIVETED! I had to use a drill and a hammer and chisel, and literally BEAT them out before putting the new ones on -- which came with bolts for install.

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[Adrift]

For some reason, their commercials really stuck with me, though I never owned, or wanted to own, a citation. At the end of this commercial, the way they sing .... "Chevy CiTAAAAAAAAAtion!" :erm:

What a sad period for cars. I remember IN the 80s hating how cars looked back then.

[rogue06]

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A friend of mine got the first year model. It had so many bugs we started calling it his trans-poor-citation.

Yeah, kinda weak, but it worked.

[Cow Poke]

Never knew such a car existed. Late 70s through the 80s was a terrible period for car names apparently.

For some reason, their commercials really stuck with me, though I never owned, or wanted to own, a citation. At the end of this commercial, the way they sing .... "Chevy CiTAAAAAAAAAtion!" :erm:

[Adrift]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]40049[/ATTACH]

Never knew such a car existed. Late 70s through the 80s was a terrible period for car names apparently.

[Cow Poke]

Do you have a citation on that?

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[Cow Poke]

The Greek Church was under the yoke of Islam for centuries (when attempts to spread the faith could easily end in execution), then was very much linked to Greek identity when Greece finally won its independence from the Ottoman Empire. Changing such ingrained attitudes - which are hardly ideal - does not happen overnight. Other Orthodox jurisdictions have better outreach.

Interesting. Thanks.

So, in the course of attending, and being instructed, is there any emphasis on seeking the lost and bringing them to Christ?

[One Bad Pig]

So, I'm puzzled -- if the Orthodox believe they "are the Church", is there no attempt to draw in others who need Salvation?

The Greek Church was under the yoke of Islam for centuries (when attempts to spread the faith could easily end in execution), then was very much linked to Greek identity when Greece finally won its independence from the Ottoman Empire. Changing such ingrained attitudes - which are hardly ideal - does not happen overnight. Other Orthodox jurisdictions have better outreach.

[Adrift]

FWIW Alister McGrath has said that demi's interpretation of the Great Commission as non binding on all believers was the traditional view pre-Reformation.

Do you have a citation on that?

[Cow Poke]

It's hard to say. As long as you're decently dressed (jeans and a t-shirt might draw some looks), you should be okay. Some Greek churches are welcoming, some have the attitude "you're not Greek; why are you here?". Even the latter tend to be puzzled, not hostile, however.

So, I'm puzzled -- if the Orthodox believe they "are the Church", is there no attempt to draw in others who need Salvation?

[Cow Poke]

Is there any passage that says who does the baptizing -- as applicable today?

No.

I do recommend people get baptized within a church group's pastor, but this is in the absence of any specific instruction as to who should do the baptizing.

The Church authorizes the baptizer. We have voted, on occasion, to allow a dad to baptize his children when he was the one who led them to the Lord. But, in our tradition, Baptism is an ordnance of the Church, not just the Pastor.

[KingsGambit]

FWIW Alister McGrath has said that demi's interpretation of the Great Commission as non binding on all believers was the traditional view pre-Reformation.

[One Bad Pig]

Well my sentiment is that Orthodox Christians are definitely part of the church if they accept Christ as Lord, and they'd be more than welcome to break bread and take communion with me at my local congregation, even knowing they'd be unlikely to return the favor. You are my brother in Christ, even if some of our other brothers don't think I'm your brother in Christ.

Speaking of, there is a relatively newish Greek Orthodox church in town that I'd love to check out just to see how an Orthodox service goes down (been to a few RCC services already), but I have no idea how welcome I'd be.

It's hard to say. As long as you're decently dressed (jeans and a t-shirt might draw some looks), you should be okay. Some Greek churches are welcoming, some have the attitude "you're not Greek; why are you here?". Even the latter tend to be puzzled, not hostile, however.

[Rushing Jaws]

Protestants were initially called "Evangelicals"; I no longer recall if that was a self-appellation or given from outside.

That is what I thought.

[demi-conservative]

For the purpose of the topic, if 'eisegesis' is too controversial we can simply say that the Evangelicals are marked by certain interpretation of the Great Commission, and that this generates a very strong priority on evangelising, producing certain kind of motivation, mindsets and praxis. All these the older strains of Christianity do not have.