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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI have seen that kind of summary expressed, along with the notion that "fellowship meetings" (Church services) were as much about introducing new Christians to their new family as it was about worship. It was assumed that you would be winning people to Jesus during the week, then bringing them to the Church Service for them to meet their new family.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYou should check out Michael Green's Evangelism in the Early Church. In surveying the early church up until the third century, he demonstrates that the Great Commission did, in fact, apply to all believers. As he writes in the epilogue,
Today, it seems that in many "evangelical" churches, the extent of "Evangelism" is that we just "have Church" and if a lost person happens to stumble in, maybe they'll get saved.
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You should check out Michael Green's Evangelism in the Early Church. In surveying the early church up until the third century, he demonstrates that the Great Commission did, in fact, apply to all believers. As he writes in the epilogue,
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI would heavily suspect that this view was not novel among them, but anything outside of Protestantism is outside of his purview there so it can't be proven.
I slightly misremembered what McGrath argued. He argued that the early Reformers prior to the 1830s held this sort of limited view of the Great Commission. (Pages 175-177 of Christianity's Dangerous Idea).
And that reading is wrong. The text doesn't support that interpretation at all. Evangelicals themselves tend to treat the reading as axiomatic, and they don't follow it consistently anyway, as they don't allow just any believer to baptise. Neither do they consider it a dereliction of duty if a believer never baptises anyone during his life.Last edited by demi-conservative; 10-02-2019, 03:28 AM.
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I slightly misremembered what McGrath argued. He argued that the early Reformers prior to the 1830s held this sort of limited view of the Great Commission. (Pages 175-177 of Christianity's Dangerous Idea). I would heavily suspect that this view was not novel among them, but anything outside of Protestantism is outside of his purview there so it can't be proven.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostI see the Creeds as being specific statements of faith, containing salvation criteria and uniting a worldwide body of believers from different denominations. Once the hurdle of the "catholic church" is understood to be in the sense of the universal church. Protestants who are not aware of this sense of the catholic church may reject outright just because of the word "catholic".
The Creeds could also be used to separate mainstream Christians from Cults and Unorthodox religions such as the JW's perhaps. The SDA's I think will largely be in agreement with the salvation issues contained in the Creeds.
On a lighter note, imagine a new age "believer" telling you all the vague things they believe in and in return you recite either Creed to tell them what you believe in! (That will larn them :-) )
I would note that the creeds can be used as a concise teaching of central doctrines. The creeds also represent strongly supported understanding of doctrine. But these creeds are not the authority for what we understand. ( I skimmed through a discussion on the creeds and confessions. See this link for further info: https://ethicsdaily.com/creedalism-v...are-cms-24599/
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIs there any passage that says who does the baptizing -- as applicable today?
I do recommend people get baptized within a church group's pastor, but this is in the absence of any specific instruction as to who should do the baptizing.
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Originally posted by Esther View PostI see the Creeds as being specific statements of faith, containing salvation criteria and uniting a worldwide body of believers from different denominations. Once the hurdle of the "catholic church" is understood to be in the sense of the universal church. Protestants who are not aware of this sense of the catholic church may reject outright just because of the word "catholic".
The Creeds could also be used to separate mainstream Christians from Cults and Unorthodox religions such as the JW's perhaps. The SDA's I think will largely be in agreement with the salvation issues contained in the Creeds.
On a lighter note, imagine a new age "believer" telling you all the vague things they believe in and in return you recite either Creed to tell them what you believe in! (That will larn them :-) )
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostOops. I meant to say that "such evangelicals may not be consciously..."
I may write papers where I need a definition of 'Christian.' This term can have many interpretations. I would tend to use the term 'confessional Christian' or creedal-agreeable Christian. The minimal creed would be the Apostles' Creed -- including those church groups and people who would concur, at minimal, with the apparent meaning of the Apostles' Creed. (Or that people in these church groups would reject use of the term 'Christian' for people that do not basically accept the Apostle's Creed.)
Note that the discussion on Evangelicals was more of a test case rather than being the main concern here. But I did like how the discussion went.
The Creeds could also be used to separate mainstream Christians from Cults and Unorthodox religions such as the JW's perhaps. The SDA's I think will largely be in agreement with the salvation issues contained in the Creeds.
On a lighter note, imagine a new age "believer" telling you all the vague things they believe in and in return you recite either Creed to tell them what you believe in! (That will larn them :-) )Last edited by Esther; 10-01-2019, 04:57 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostInteresting. Thanks.
So, in the course of attending, and being instructed, is there any emphasis on seeking the lost and bringing them to Christ?
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