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  • #91
    Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Is there any passage that says who does the baptizing -- as applicable today?

    I do recommend people get baptized within a church group's pastor, but this is in the absence of any specific instruction as to who should do the baptizing.
    It's simple. If we assume the Evangelical claim about how the Great Commission is generally applicable to individuals, since you are not baptising you're not following it and you're disobeying Christ.
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #92
      For the purpose of the topic, if 'eisegesis' is too controversial we can simply say that the Evangelicals are marked by certain interpretation of the Great Commission, and that this generates a very strong priority on evangelising, producing certain kind of motivation, mindsets and praxis. All these the older strains of Christianity do not have.
      Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Protestants were initially called "Evangelicals"; I no longer recall if that was a self-appellation or given from outside.
        That is what I thought.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Adrift View Post
          Well my sentiment is that Orthodox Christians are definitely part of the church if they accept Christ as Lord, and they'd be more than welcome to break bread and take communion with me at my local congregation, even knowing they'd be unlikely to return the favor. You are my brother in Christ, even if some of our other brothers don't think I'm your brother in Christ.

          Speaking of, there is a relatively newish Greek Orthodox church in town that I'd love to check out just to see how an Orthodox service goes down (been to a few RCC services already), but I have no idea how welcome I'd be.
          It's hard to say. As long as you're decently dressed (jeans and a t-shirt might draw some looks), you should be okay. Some Greek churches are welcoming, some have the attitude "you're not Greek; why are you here?". Even the latter tend to be puzzled, not hostile, however.
          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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          • #95
            FWIW Alister McGrath has said that demi's interpretation of the Great Commission as non binding on all believers was the traditional view pre-Reformation.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #96
              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
              Is there any passage that says who does the baptizing -- as applicable today?
              No.

              I do recommend people get baptized within a church group's pastor, but this is in the absence of any specific instruction as to who should do the baptizing.
              The Church authorizes the baptizer. We have voted, on occasion, to allow a dad to baptize his children when he was the one who led them to the Lord. But, in our tradition, Baptism is an ordnance of the Church, not just the Pastor.
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #97
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                It's hard to say. As long as you're decently dressed (jeans and a t-shirt might draw some looks), you should be okay. Some Greek churches are welcoming, some have the attitude "you're not Greek; why are you here?". Even the latter tend to be puzzled, not hostile, however.
                So, I'm puzzled -- if the Orthodox believe they "are the Church", is there no attempt to draw in others who need Salvation?
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  FWIW Alister McGrath has said that demi's interpretation of the Great Commission as non binding on all believers was the traditional view pre-Reformation.
                  Do you have a citation on that?

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    So, I'm puzzled -- if the Orthodox believe they "are the Church", is there no attempt to draw in others who need Salvation?
                    The Greek Church was under the yoke of Islam for centuries (when attempts to spread the faith could easily end in execution), then was very much linked to Greek identity when Greece finally won its independence from the Ottoman Empire. Changing such ingrained attitudes - which are hardly ideal - does not happen overnight. Other Orthodox jurisdictions have better outreach.
                    Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                      The Greek Church was under the yoke of Islam for centuries (when attempts to spread the faith could easily end in execution), then was very much linked to Greek identity when Greece finally won its independence from the Ottoman Empire. Changing such ingrained attitudes - which are hardly ideal - does not happen overnight. Other Orthodox jurisdictions have better outreach.
                      Interesting. Thanks.

                      So, in the course of attending, and being instructed, is there any emphasis on seeking the lost and bringing them to Christ?
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                        Do you have a citation on that?
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                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          [ATTACH=CONFIG]40049[/ATTACH]
                          Never knew such a car existed. Late 70s through the 80s was a terrible period for car names apparently.

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                          • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                            Never knew such a car existed. Late 70s through the 80s was a terrible period for car names apparently.
                            For some reason, their commercials really stuck with me, though I never owned, or wanted to own, a citation. At the end of this commercial, the way they sing .... "Chevy CiTAAAAAAAAAtion!" :erm:

                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              [ATTACH=CONFIG]40049[/ATTACH]
                              A friend of mine got the first year model. It had so many bugs we started calling it his trans-poor-citation.

                              Yeah, kinda weak, but it worked.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                For some reason, their commercials really stuck with me, though I never owned, or wanted to own, a citation. At the end of this commercial, the way they sing .... "Chevy CiTAAAAAAAAAtion!" :erm:
                                What a sad period for cars. I remember IN the 80s hating how cars looked back then.

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