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  • #16
    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    Tell me more. My church wanted to be able to marry homosexuals.
    While speaking at Grace Cathedral—an Episcopal church in San Francisco—he was directly asked about his stance on gay marriage and he offered the following response:

    “I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think the church needs — I think this is the world we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are.”
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
    Stephen R. Donaldson

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      While speaking at Grace Cathedral—an Episcopal church in San Francisco—he was directly asked about his stance on gay marriage and he offered the following response:

      “I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it’s a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think the church needs — I think this is the world we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are.”

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        You have a herd? Of.... those green things with yellow wigs?
        I can't be in a herd, I'm in a flock.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          maybe its time to find a new church. What denomination is it?
          United Methodist.

          However, perhaps this particular church needs people like me to challenge what they preach!?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Our Methodist "guest pastor" sermon on the radio this past Sunday morning was the parable of the Good Samaritan, and how that was a lesson for us to be kinder and more accepting of the "LBGTQ-plus community". And that's how the guest pastor pronounced it numerous times - kinda slowing down and very clearly enunciating "L B G T Q Plus community". He explained that his 'sexual orientation' gave him greater insight into the scriptures than his colleagues.
            Methodist again.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
              United Methodist.

              However, perhaps this particular church needs people like me to challenge what they preach!?
              You said you've already challenged some things, and nothing has changed. There comes a time to shake the dust off your feet and move on if your efforts to show error are not accepted.


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              • #22
                Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                United Methodist.

                However, perhaps this particular church needs people like me to challenge what they preach!?
                I wish that there was hope in that regard, but when a church goes down the path of embracing homosexuality, especially at the behest of their denomination, there is no going back.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #23
                  What about people who don't want to be saved? One person's utopia is another person's dystopia....
                  If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                  • #24
                    Universalists are very good at philosophy, mainly because they are very bad at scripture interpretation. There are some verses and concepts you can take out of context to make an argument for universalism, but Jesus made perfectly clear that some will not be saved. Also note Hebrews 3:11: "They will never enter my rest."

                    I don't think there's anything wrong with hoping everybody will be saved, because 2 Peter 3:9 says the same thing. But when you outright say that it will happen, it becomes a problem.

                    (This is a very hot topic right now in theology because David Bentley Hart's much anticipated book arguing for universalism is coming out this fall... so I expect to be hearing more discussion about universalism online.)

                    Edit: Literally two minutes after I posted, I saw that a friend of mine just posted on FB that he is going to publish a critical review of Hart's book in a theological journal. Talk about coincidences.
                    Last edited by KingsGambit; 09-11-2019, 01:05 AM.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #25
                      I'm trying to find out what the founder of the Methodist church, John Wesley, said about Universalim. But my research keeps coming up talking about John Wesley Hanson.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                        United Methodist.

                        However, perhaps this particular church needs people like me to challenge what they preach!?
                        The UMC has strayed so far from the truth, and allowed post-modernism into their ranks, that only a true revival from the Holy Spirit can help them, if they are even at all receptive to Him at a leadership level...
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                        Stephen R. Donaldson

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                          United Methodist.

                          However, perhaps this particular church needs people like me to challenge what they preach!?
                          If you feel called to do that and think it could work, go for it. But be prepared to just move on if they don't listen.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                            I'm trying to find out what the founder of the Methodist church, John Wesley, said about Universalim. But my research keeps coming up talking about John Wesley Hanson.
                            As long as you don't end up with John Wesley Hardin, who, according to TimeLife Books, was so mean he once shot a man just for snoring! :yea:
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #29
                              Wesley was not a universalist.
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                Wesley was not a universalist.
                                Had he been, he wouldn't have been such a revivalist.
                                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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