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    "Universalism is the teaching that all people will be saved. Some say that it is through the atonement of Jesus that all will ultimately be reconciled to God. Others just say that all will go to heaven sooner or later, whether or not they have trusted in or rejected Jesus as savior during their lifetime. This universal redemption will be realized in the future where God will bring all people to repentance. This repentance can happen while a person lives or after he has died and lived again in the millennium (as some "Christian universalists" claim) or some future state." (CARM)

    Is there any biblical support for Universalism?

    I'm asking because a deacon of my church will be teaching Rob Bell's book, "Love Wins" in an upcoming Bible study.

    Thanks.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
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    Is there any biblical support for Universalism?
    No. Rob Bell wrote that book to excuse practicing homosexuals of their sin.
    Last edited by Bill the Cat; 09-10-2019, 02:20 PM.
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
    Stephen R. Donaldson

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    • #3
      Some part of me wishes that universalism was true. My heard knows it is not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        Some part of me wishes that universalism was true. My heard knows it is not.
        You have a herd? Of.... those green things with yellow wigs?
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          No. Rob Bell wrote that book to excuse practicing homosexuals of their sin.
          Mayor Pete would be proud!
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
            "Universalism is the teaching that all people will be saved. Some say that it is through the atonement of Jesus that all will ultimately be reconciled to God. Others just say that all will go to heaven sooner or later, whether or not they have trusted in or rejected Jesus as savior during their lifetime. This universal redemption will be realized in the future where God will bring all people to repentance. This repentance can happen while a person lives or after he has died and lived again in the millennium (as some "Christian universalists" claim) or some future state." (CARM)

            Is there any biblical support for Universalism?

            I'm asking because a deacon of my church will be teaching Rob Bell's book, "Love Wins" in an upcoming Bible study.

            Thanks.
            Back in the late 90s I went head to head with Gary Amirault from Tentmaker.org (whom I just found out died). We debated Universalism for months on and off at CARM. They do have some good arguments (historical and Scriptural) - I still hope that they are right - but I don't know. I have no regard for Rob Bell though...

            https://tentmaker.org/articles-1/
            Last edited by seer; 09-10-2019, 02:46 PM.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              I wouldn't trust anything Rob Bell writes.

              And if someone were teaching something that he wrote I would be gone.


              Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                I wouldn't trust anything Rob Bell writes.

                And if someone were teaching something that he wrote I would be gone.
                Agreed - we did one of his studies in our church a while back - it didn't take long to drop it. I always found him insincere...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                  I wouldn't trust anything Rob Bell writes.

                  And if someone were teaching something that he wrote I would be gone.
                  That's my problem. I've sent many links to the Deacon that point out the mistakes in Bell's book, and she said that Bell has his critics and that is all she said. It took me 3 hours to read all of the links I sent her and she answered me in a few minutes which told me she hadn't read them.

                  At some point I will ask the church Pastor if he is a universalist and if he agrees with Rob Bell.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                    Some part of me wishes that universalism was true. My heard knows it is not.
                    Yeah. It would stop me worrying about some of my friends and family members who are not believers.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      No. Rob Bell wrote that book to excuse practicing homosexuals of their sin.
                      Tell me more. My church wanted to be able to marry homosexuals.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                        I wouldn't trust anything Rob Bell writes.

                        And if someone were teaching something that he wrote I would be gone.
                        I understand that Bell lost 3,000 members of his church over this book, "Love Wins."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                          Tell me more. My church wanted to be able to marry homosexuals.
                          maybe its time to find a new church. What denomination is it?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                            Tell me more. My church wanted to be able to marry homosexuals.
                            You need to find a different church.


                            Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                              Tell me more. My church wanted to be able to marry homosexuals.
                              Our Methodist "guest pastor" sermon on the radio this past Sunday morning was the parable of the Good Samaritan, and how that was a lesson for us to be kinder and more accepting of the "LBGTQ-plus community". And that's how the guest pastor pronounced it numerous times - kinda slowing down and very clearly enunciating "L B G T Q Plus community". He explained that his 'sexual orientation' gave him greater insight into the scriptures than his colleagues.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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