Christians and Trump--two perspectives

[Cow Poke]

Go to God and repent of bearing false witness.

Says the guy who has been bearing false witness repeatedly here, driven by his hatred of Trump.

[Timothy]

Be careful where you're going. Jesus often refused to give simple answers to questions.

True. But Jesus also asked a lot of questions. What do you think about the Pharisees reasons for avoiding answering the questions Jesus asked?

[Timothy]

You're not the only Christian who isn't all in for Trump.

Thanks, that means a lot. But don't they seem strangely silent? Teallaura is convinced that the only reason a Christian would not support Trump is because we are secretly baby killers. Where did everything go wrong?

[Timothy]

We're tired of your self righteous indignation when no one accepts your two year old level rationale.

I'm tired of pro-abortion supporters masquerading as evangelical Christians - and don't bother denying it. Only pro-aborts like you want to take down Trump, knowing he's appointing conservatives to the judiciary - and the High Court itself.



Christians shouldn't support child murder. But you do.

You think that I support child murder?
That is literally insane. Go to God and repent of bearing false witness.

How can you say I support child murder? Don't you have any conscience left?

[Teallaura]

I think this is unfair. This logic assumes that support or opposition for a candidate equates to full opposition or support for their slate of policies. Personally, I think Trump is unfit for office, is likely mentally deteriorating, and for the good of the republic should be replaced, preferrably via primary challenge... But I would have no time for being slandered as "pro abort".

And his logic doesn't?

YOU didn't spend four pages insisting that any support for Trump is unchristian - and support FOR immorality - now did you?

[rogue06]

Okay. Conspired with Ukraine to get political dirt on opponents. Start with today's news and work back.

At best hearsay but you want everyone to wring their hands over it and condemn him for what appears to be an unsubstantiated rumor.

Per CNN: “The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN.”

By definition this person is not a “whistleblower” with provable evidence ready to be turned over and deserving of legal protection.

This person is someone who is spreading hearsay.

All of the rest of it is just NOISE!

The reason the acting director of intelligence did not pass on the complaint to Congress is simple: the source is not credible.

[...]

There were many first hand witnesses to the alleged phone call where the (non) whistleblower was said to have derived their facts — albeit not first hand. No one is corroborating the (non) whistleblower’s narrative.

https://townhall.com/columnists/kevi...lower-n2553460

smiley hat tip.gif to MM

[KingsGambit]

Whenever someone refuses to answer a simple question, it reveals something about that person.

Be careful where you're going. Jesus often refused to give simple answers to questions.

[KingsGambit]

Yeah, as far as Christians go, I'd wager that most of the forum is not "all in for Trump." I can think of maybe 2 or 3 forum members who are, or who are at least more in for Trump than not. .

I think it's more than that. Look at the vigor with which his blasphemy about being compared to the second coming of Christ was defended on here by several posters. (Dr. Michael Brown, who acknowledged he will continue to vote for Trump, pointed out that the biblical response to being compared to a god is to rend one's clothing and set the record straight.) If you don't really support Trump that much, why would you stick your neck out on a a Christian forum for that one?

[KingsGambit]

Only pro-aborts like you want to take down Trump, knowing he's appointing conservatives to the judiciary - and the High Court itself.

I think this is unfair. This logic assumes that support or opposition for a candidate equates to full opposition or support for their slate of policies. Personally, I think Trump is unfit for office, is likely mentally deteriorating, and for the good of the republic should be replaced, preferrably via primary challenge... But I would have no time for being slandered as "pro abort".

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, as far as Christians go, I'd wager that most of the forum is not "all in for Trump." I can think of maybe 2 or 3 forum members who are, or who are at least more in for Trump than not.

I get the feeling that the majority tolerate him (in some cases, barely) as an ends to a means.

And then there are the few of us who find him repugnant, wanted nothing to do with him from the start, didn't vote for him, and think the ends are unlikely to justify the means. But even there there seems to be a couple a camps: Those who desire to weigh those breaking news reports of a new juicy scandal or major controversy, and get a better idea of the lay of the land, and those who jump in feet first and let each fresh controversy or rumor of a scandal fuel their hatred of the guy. Unfortunately, it often seems that if you're not willing to jump in feet first with that crowd then they think you're against them, and that isn't the case either. I've been accused of being pro-Trump on Reddit a few times merely because I've said things like "well, hold on for a second, let's get some facts first before we grab that noose."

As I've said before, I've never in all of my life seen reactions this strong to a president. It's the strangest thing. And I was part of anarchist punk scene.

Yes, sir -- Trump does enough stupid and disgusting stuff that we really don't have to make up or exaggerate things --- so let's just roll with the facts, and understand that both sides are going to go to great lengths to defend or attack him.

It's sad to me that Christians allow politics to divide them (us) when there are so many more important eternal things --- and I believe Satan is eating this up.

[Adrift]

I'm also not "all in for Trump" -- I just don't hate the guy, and I do believe in praying for him.

Yeah, as far as Christians go, I'd wager that most of the forum is not "all in for Trump." I can think of maybe 2 or 3 forum members who are, or who are at least more in for Trump than not.

I get the feeling that the majority tolerate him (in some cases, barely) as an ends to a means.

And then there are the few of us who find him repugnant, wanted nothing to do with him from the start, didn't vote for him, and think the ends are unlikely to justify the means. But even there there seems to be a couple a camps: Those who desire to weigh those breaking news reports of a new juicy scandal or major controversy, and get a better idea of the lay of the land, and those who jump in feet first and let each fresh controversy or rumor of a scandal fuel their hatred of the guy. Unfortunately, it often seems that if you're not willing to jump in feet first with that crowd then they think you're against them, and that isn't the case either. I've been accused of being pro-Trump on Reddit a few times merely because I've said things like "well, hold on for a second, let's get some facts first before we grab that noose."

As I've said before, I've never in all of my life seen reactions this strong to a president. It's the strangest thing. And I was part of anarchist punk scene.

[mossrose]

12,019 lies since taking office.

Timothy, just so you know, it is really not appropriate here to keep quoting the same thing over and over and giving a different answer. Quote once and make all your points in that one post.

[Cow Poke]

I'm also not "all in for Trump" -- I just don't hate the guy, and I do believe in praying for him.

And I don't believe anybody here hates Timothy just because he hates Trump.

[Cow Poke]

You're not the only Christian who isn't all in for Trump.

I'm also not "all in for Trump" -- I just don't hate the guy, and I do believe in praying for him.

[Adrift]

I want to know I'm not the only Christian who isn't all in for Trump.

You're not the only Christian who isn't all in for Trump.