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Christians and Trump--two perspectives
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I'm not a Trump supporter. Didn't vote for him in 2016, don't plan to vote for him in 2020. In fact, didn't even vote for a single R in the midterms.
The only people who have attacked me on this website over political issues are the leftists and the anti-Trump crowd in general.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostTimothy, you've done the same thing here that you accuse Laura of doing. Painting with a broad brush.
What if someone believed her? I could spend weeks in jail just waiting for the murder charges to be dropped. I can't afford bail! This is outrageous!
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostMaybe. I have a hard time giving him that much credit though. I think he routinely sticks his foot in his mouth unthinkingly, and either because of the loyalty of his support base or because he doubles down on it, or whatever, it just tends to work out for him in the end.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostPersonally, I think Trump savors all the attention, good or bad, and he particularly likes sticking his thumb in the eye of his opponents.
In one of our HR classes (continuing education) there was a lady who was explaining various personalities in the workplace.
She talked about "Bitter Betty" who always complains, always keeps things stirred up, always has a negative attitude. Then she asked, "why do you think Betty is Bitter like that?"
Various members of the class tried to explain that maybe Betty has a bad home life, or has had a bad experience at work, she's hurting, or blah blah blah....
The instructor smiled real big, and yelled, "NO --- She's like that because IT WORKS!!!!! As long as she is like that, nobody is going to ask her to do extra projects, or seek her help --- everybody is going to steer clear of her...."
I think Trump is like that because IT WORKS!!!
He controls the agenda. He drives people crazy. He makes otherwise good people into attack agents either for him or against him. IT WORKS!
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostThanks, that means a lot. But don't they seem strangely silent? Teallaura is convinced that the only reason a Christian would not support Trump is because we are secretly baby killers. Where did everything go wrong?
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think this is unfair. This logic assumes that support or opposition for a candidate equates to full opposition or support for their slate of policies. Personally, I think Trump is unfit for office, is likely mentally deteriorating, and for the good of the republic should be replaced, preferrably via primary challenge... But I would have no time for being slandered as "pro abort".
I'm not sure how effective it is, but I get what she's attempting to do. I don't think she really thinks that if you're anti-Trump you're really pro-abortion.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI thought that was a lot of hand-wringing over nothing as I explain here: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post663954
In one of our HR classes (continuing education) there was a lady who was explaining various personalities in the workplace.
She talked about "Bitter Betty" who always complains, always keeps things stirred up, always has a negative attitude. Then she asked, "why do you think Betty is Bitter like that?"
Various members of the class tried to explain that maybe Betty has a bad home life, or has had a bad experience at work, she's hurting, or blah blah blah....
The instructor smiled real big, and yelled, "NO --- She's like that because IT WORKS!!!!! As long as she is like that, nobody is going to ask her to do extra projects, or seek her help --- everybody is going to steer clear of her...."
I think Trump is like that because IT WORKS!!!
He controls the agenda. He drives people crazy. He makes otherwise good people into attack agents either for him or against him. IT WORKS!
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think it's more than that. Look at the vigor with which his blasphemy about being compared to the second coming of Christ was defended on here by several posters. (Dr. Michael Brown, who acknowledged he will continue to vote for Trump, pointed out that the biblical response to being compared to a god is to rend one's clothing and set the record straight.) If you don't really support Trump that much, why would you stick your neck out on a a Christian forum for that one?
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostSee, the Thing is...
I haven't been bearing false witness.
But you believe Teallaura, do you actually believe that I have been killing children without my knowledge? Perhaps you think I have been busy while sleepwalking
But if you and Teal have ANY proof that I kill children, please be a dear and share it. Perhaps you and Teal are the real killers and you are trying to frame me in order to throw the FBI off of your bloody crime spree. There's the wink so you know I am just joking with you! (or AM I??? )
Why don't you just shut up about me, since you know literally nothing about me other than I believe that the alternative to voting for Trump is NOT voting for Trump. Which it literally is.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSays the guy who has been bearing false witness repeatedly here, driven by his hatred of Trump.
I haven't been bearing false witness.
But you believe Teallaura, do you actually believe that I have been killing children without my knowledge? Perhaps you think I have been busy while sleepwalking
But if you and Teal have ANY proof that I kill children, please be a dear and share it. Perhaps you and Teal are the real killers and you are trying to frame me in order to throw the FBI off of your bloody crime spree. There's the wink so you know I am just joking with you! (or AM I??? )
Why don't you just shut up about me, since you know literally nothing about me other than I believe that the alternative to voting for Trump is NOT voting for Trump. Which it literally is.
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