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Christians and Trump--two perspectives

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  • Timothy
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    He's reminding me of JimL more and more.
    I was joking! Didn't you see the smiley? Can't you take a joke? What's wrong with you? Too sensitive? Do you need a safe space? Poor whiny trumpy.





    Here's the smiley

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    Maybe. I have a hard time giving him that much credit though. I think he routinely sticks his foot in his mouth unthinkingly, and either because of the loyalty of his support base or because he doubles down on it, or whatever, it just tends to work out for him in the end.
    I think it is a bit of both. That he regularly sticks his foot in it especially with his tendency toward heavy exaggeration and hyperbole[1] is undeniable. But he's done it enough times on purpose and got the results he sought too often to ignore that.

    The best example that I can remember of the latter was his tweet "attacking" Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh nomination hearings by specifically listing a number of the problems with her claim. As he expected the MSM immediately jumped on him for being a sexist misogynistic ogre for daring to be so mean to poor little Ford. But in doing so they repeated what Trump said and for millions of Americans this was the first time they had heard these things. Prior to Trump's tweet and the MSM's coverage of it they may have heard that there were discrepancies in her story but not many if any details. Now they were seeing just how many discrepancies that there were and how big they were. Within the week Ford and Kavanaugh were even when it came to who the public thought was credible whereas the week before Ford was enjoying a double digit lead in that measure.








    1. Apparently it is a common trait among people from Queens. Everything is the best, the biggest, the most... I always thought that was a characteristic unique with Texans but apparently it isn't.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Timothy View Post
    Yes, but it is the other way around.

    You are kind of slow, aren't you?
    He's reminding me of JimL more and more.

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  • Zymologist
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    I'm not a Trump supporter. Didn't vote for him in 2016, don't plan to vote for him in 2020. In fact, didn't even vote for a single R in the midterms.

    The only people who have attacked me on this website over political issues are the leftists and the anti-Trump crowd in general.

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  • Timothy
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    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    I don't think she really thinks that people who don't support Trump are secretly baby killers.
    Thanks...
    But you don't know what I've done...







    Buhahahahahaha!!!!!

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  • Timothy
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    That's why I kinda thought she was giving him a dose of his own medicine.
    Yes, but it is the other way around.

    You are kind of slow, aren't you?

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  • Timothy
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    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
    Timothy, you've done the same thing here that you accuse Laura of doing. Painting with a broad brush.
    I know, that was the point and the joke! She literally has NO evidence that I have been on a child killing spree and yet...The facts didn't stop her from condemning me.
    What if someone believed her? I could spend weeks in jail just waiting for the murder charges to be dropped. I can't afford bail! This is outrageous!

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    Maybe. I have a hard time giving him that much credit though. I think he routinely sticks his foot in his mouth unthinkingly, and either because of the loyalty of his support base or because he doubles down on it, or whatever, it just tends to work out for him in the end.
    Could be!

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  • Adrift
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Personally, I think Trump savors all the attention, good or bad, and he particularly likes sticking his thumb in the eye of his opponents.

    In one of our HR classes (continuing education) there was a lady who was explaining various personalities in the workplace.

    She talked about "Bitter Betty" who always complains, always keeps things stirred up, always has a negative attitude. Then she asked, "why do you think Betty is Bitter like that?"

    Various members of the class tried to explain that maybe Betty has a bad home life, or has had a bad experience at work, she's hurting, or blah blah blah....

    The instructor smiled real big, and yelled, "NO --- She's like that because IT WORKS!!!!! As long as she is like that, nobody is going to ask her to do extra projects, or seek her help --- everybody is going to steer clear of her...."

    I think Trump is like that because IT WORKS!!!

    He controls the agenda. He drives people crazy. He makes otherwise good people into attack agents either for him or against him. IT WORKS!
    Maybe. I have a hard time giving him that much credit though. I think he routinely sticks his foot in his mouth unthinkingly, and either because of the loyalty of his support base or because he doubles down on it, or whatever, it just tends to work out for him in the end.

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  • Adrift
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    Originally posted by Timothy View Post
    Thanks, that means a lot. But don't they seem strangely silent? Teallaura is convinced that the only reason a Christian would not support Trump is because we are secretly baby killers. Where did everything go wrong?
    I think if you hang out on the forum long enough you'll see that they're not really that silent. And as I explain above, I think Teal was making a tongue-in-cheek reply to make a greater point. I don't think she really thinks that people who don't support Trump are secretly baby killers.

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  • Adrift
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think this is unfair. This logic assumes that support or opposition for a candidate equates to full opposition or support for their slate of policies. Personally, I think Trump is unfit for office, is likely mentally deteriorating, and for the good of the republic should be replaced, preferrably via primary challenge... But I would have no time for being slandered as "pro abort".
    I'm sure she can explain, but I believe this is a tongue-in-cheek/reductio ad absurdum debate tactic she's using, which she started with oxmixmudd a bit ago. As I understand it, she's attempting to put the shoe on the other foot by arguing the extreme reverse case scenario that she believes some anti-Trump posters sometimes use. It's a counter to the sort of argument that might be presented like this, "If you're for Trump then you must hate people of color," "Oh yeah? Well then if you're anti-Trump then you must hate the unborn."

    I'm not sure how effective it is, but I get what she's attempting to do. I don't think she really thinks that if you're anti-Trump you're really pro-abortion.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Adrift View Post
    I thought that was a lot of hand-wringing over nothing as I explain here: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post663954
    Personally, I think Trump savors all the attention, good or bad, and he particularly likes sticking his thumb in the eye of his opponents.

    In one of our HR classes (continuing education) there was a lady who was explaining various personalities in the workplace.

    She talked about "Bitter Betty" who always complains, always keeps things stirred up, always has a negative attitude. Then she asked, "why do you think Betty is Bitter like that?"

    Various members of the class tried to explain that maybe Betty has a bad home life, or has had a bad experience at work, she's hurting, or blah blah blah....

    The instructor smiled real big, and yelled, "NO --- She's like that because IT WORKS!!!!! As long as she is like that, nobody is going to ask her to do extra projects, or seek her help --- everybody is going to steer clear of her...."

    I think Trump is like that because IT WORKS!!!

    He controls the agenda. He drives people crazy. He makes otherwise good people into attack agents either for him or against him. IT WORKS!

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  • Adrift
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think it's more than that. Look at the vigor with which his blasphemy about being compared to the second coming of Christ was defended on here by several posters. (Dr. Michael Brown, who acknowledged he will continue to vote for Trump, pointed out that the biblical response to being compared to a god is to rend one's clothing and set the record straight.) If you don't really support Trump that much, why would you stick your neck out on a a Christian forum for that one?
    I thought that was a lot of hand-wringing over nothing as I explain here: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post663954

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by mossrose View Post
    Timothy, you've done the same thing here that you accuse Laura of doing. Painting with a broad brush.
    That's why I kinda thought she was giving him a dose of his own medicine.

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  • mossrose
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    Originally posted by Timothy View Post
    See, the Thing is...
    I haven't been bearing false witness.
    But you believe Teallaura, do you actually believe that I have been killing children without my knowledge? Perhaps you think I have been busy while sleepwalking
    But if you and Teal have ANY proof that I kill children, please be a dear and share it. Perhaps you and Teal are the real killers and you are trying to frame me in order to throw the FBI off of your bloody crime spree. There's the wink so you know I am just joking with you! (or AM I??? )

    Why don't you just shut up about me, since you know literally nothing about me other than I believe that the alternative to voting for Trump is NOT voting for Trump. Which it literally is.
    Timothy, you've done the same thing here that you accuse Laura of doing. Painting with a broad brush.

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