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Originally posted by Timothy View PostHa! I knew you wouldn't give a "straight honest answer".
And you already KNOW that I don't support Clinton, so your bogus charges about me wanting Hillary in the Whitehouse are exposed for the smokescreen that they are.
You KNOW that if 80% of Evangelicals approved of immoral Hillary, I would speak the same to them. But they don't. They support Immoral Trump.
You voted Trump into office,
after hearing his immoral words and what they said about his character, so yes.
You supported his immorality.
He said he could do anything and get away with it, and you voted "yes, yes you can do anything and get away with it" .
Sad.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostI see you also are incapable of straight honest answers. I'll ask again. Should Christians support immorality?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostI know. Wow. It's amazing that Trump followers can be so blind. It's as if he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose a single vote.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTimothy, just because somebody doesn't give the answer you wanted or hoped for or expected doesn't mean it isn't a "straight honest answer". It was. I'm beginning to think you were more forthright than you intended to be when you admitted you love to argue.
Calm yourself, brother, I made no such charge. I have been asking questions. The FACT is that the very things that you claim you believe are the things Hillary was very aggressive in advancing -- abortion without limits, and same sex unions.
So, go start a fight with them!
Well, not all by myself.
I made a decision based on where this would take the Supreme Court for the next DECADES, and it paid off.
False. I condemn his immorality without reservation.
So, now you're doubling down and becoming JUST LIKE the anti-Christian bigot who uses this same attack on Christians.
Sad.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostTrump specifically said that he could do anything, even grab yoohoos (I won't use Trump's language) and you STILL supported him. That's shameful. What will you say to Jesus when He returns?
Look, you claim you want honest answers, but when you get them, all you do is launch into attacks. I really don't have time for this. I took a chance that you were an honest broker, and it appears all you want to do is be a false accuse of the brethren. That comes straight from the pits of Hell.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostThank you. I try for good grammar and spelling. ☺
I don't know who JimL is. What that an attempt at an ad hominem?
Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
I have not been ignoring your argument at all -- just becoming more and more convinced that you're only here to do battle -- which is what JimL is all about.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAs I have repeatedly said, I voted for the evil of two lessers. I didn't vote for Trump as pastor-in-chief.
Look, you claim you want honest answers, but when you get them, all you do is launch into attacks. I really don't have time for this. I took a chance that you were an honest broker, and it appears all you want to do is be a false accuse of the brethren. That comes straight from the pits of Hell.
If someone wants to support Trump, that's their business. Jesus said a person can't follow two masters. The brethren follow Christ. Trump is not Christ.
If think truly don't follow Trump, then I'm not talking about you. But if that really is true, why are you arguing with me? Not that I'm not enjoying this argument.😆
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNope - just an observation that you sound just like him --
Ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, typically refers to a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
I have not been ignoring your argument at all -- just becoming more and more convinced that you're only here to do battle -- which is what JimL is all about.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostI'm not accusing "the brethren".
If someone wants to support Trump, that's their business.
Jesus said a person can't follow two masters.
The brethren follow Christ.
Trump is not Christ.
If think truly don't follow Trump, then I'm not talking about you.
But if that really is true, why are you arguing with me?
2) You're fairly literate
C) I always find you "blast everybody else in Jesus' name" "Christians" entertaining.
Not that I'm not enjoying this argument.😆The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostIf I could persuade one Trumpy to return to Jesus Christ, wouldn't it be worth all of this?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAt this point, it's sounding more and more like you're just here to .
Think about this before you vote next year: Are you a Trump follower or not? Then vote accordingly, knowing that God is watching.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostSince no trump follower has ever listened to reason, why should I bother?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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