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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
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Originally posted by hedrick View PostYes. Here’s the most detailed treatment of his faith that I’ve seen. https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/polit...ney/index.html
The cathedral is part of the Episcopal Church, the American branch of Anglicanism. Considered the "church of the establishment" for much of American history -- 11 US presidents have been Episcopalian -- the church of late has been known as a forerunner of progressive theology.
A fancy way of saying that the apostasy is well under way.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostOh well. If Christians support Trump's corruption, that's their own problem. I'm no longer associated with that.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostOh well. If Christians support Trump's corruption, that's their own problem. I'm no longer associated with that.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostIf you are now an infidel, why does your "Faith" still say "Christian"?
Did Trump tell you to call me an infidel? You become like the one you follow..
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIs this an indication that you are no longer Christian?
Is following Trump an indication that you are no longer Christian?
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostI am a Christian. I'm no longer associated with the Trump church, those who attempt to follow two masters, while claiming that they "Don't follow Trump".
Did Trump tell you to call me an infidel? You become like the one you follow..The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostI don't know. Apparently, in order to be a Christian I have to follow Donald Trump.
I can't do that. So while I have been a Christian for 35 years, I don't know what I am any more.
Is following Trump an indication that you are no longer Christian?
A) Do you believe abortion is a horrible thing?
2) Do you believe same sex unions are biblical?
C) Do you believe the Bible instructs us to pray for those who are in power?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAre you incapable of understanding that somebody who voted for Trump as an alternative to Hillary doesn't necessarily "follow Donald Trump" today?
It sounds like your salvation, such as it is, wasn't rooted in Jesus, because HE hasn't changed!
So, a couple of honest questions - let's see if you can give straight honest answers:
A) Do you believe abortion is a horrible thing?
2) Do you believe same sex unions are biblical?
C) Do you believe the Bible instructs us to pray for those who are in power?
B no
C yes. And I do.
Now give me a "straight honest answer" (if you can):
Should Christians support immorality by supporting Trump?
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostA yes
B no
C yes. And I do.
Now give me a "straight honest answer" (if you can):
Should Christians support immorality by supporting Trump?
Seriously -- I have NUMEROUS times called him a jackass and NUMEROUS times suggested somebody outta hijack his Twitter account.
So, besides praying for him daily, how is that "supporting his immorality"?
You're beginning to sound like a mini-me of one of our most notorious anti-Christian bigots who loves to attack Christians by calling them Trumpsters and "followers of Trump".
He can get away with that - he's lost as a goose.
You, sir, have a higher responsibility.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt sounds like your salvation, such as it is, wasn't rooted in Jesus, because HE hasn't changed!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAppreciated! And those first two things would have been extremely problematic with Hillary in the Whitehouse. That third thing - might I suggest you do more of that?
I love giving straight answers!
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Seriously -- I have NUMEROUS times called him a jackass and NUMEROUS times suggested somebody outta hijack his Twitter account.
So, besides praying for him daily, how is that "supporting his immorality"?
You're beginning to sound like a mini-me of one of our most notorious anti-Christian bigots who loves to attack Christians by calling them Trumpsters and "followers of Trump".
He can get away with that - he's lost as a goose.
You, sir, have a higher responsibility.
And you already KNOW that I don't support Clinton, so your bogus charges about me wanting Hillary in the Whitehouse are exposed for the smokescreen that they are.
You KNOW that if 80% of Evangelicals approved of immoral Hillary, I would speak the same to them. But they don't. They support Immoral Trump.
You voted Trump into office, after hearing his immoral words and what they said about his character, so yes. You supported his immorality. He said he could do anything and get away with it, and you voted "yes, yes you can do anything and get away with it" .
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostI am a Christian. I'm no longer associated with the Trump church, those who attempt to follow two masters, while claiming that they "Don't follow Trump".
Did Trump tell you to call me an infidel? You become like the one you follow..Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Timothy View PostA yes
B no
C yes. And I do.
Now give me a "straight honest answer" (if you can):
Should Christians support immorality by supporting Trump?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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