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  • Originally posted by mossrose View Post
    Timothy, you've done the same thing here that you accuse Laura of doing. Painting with a broad brush.
    I know, that was the point and the joke! She literally has NO evidence that I have been on a child killing spree and yet...The facts didn't stop her from condemning me.
    What if someone believed her? I could spend weeks in jail just waiting for the murder charges to be dropped. I can't afford bail! This is outrageous!

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      That's why I kinda thought she was giving him a dose of his own medicine.
      Yes, but it is the other way around.

      You are kind of slow, aren't you?

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      • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
        I don't think she really thinks that people who don't support Trump are secretly baby killers.
        Thanks...
        But you don't know what I've done...







        Buhahahahahaha!!!!!

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        • I'm not a Trump supporter. Didn't vote for him in 2016, don't plan to vote for him in 2020. In fact, didn't even vote for a single R in the midterms.

          The only people who have attacked me on this website over political issues are the leftists and the anti-Trump crowd in general.
          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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          • Originally posted by Timothy View Post
            Yes, but it is the other way around.

            You are kind of slow, aren't you?
            He's reminding me of JimL more and more.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
              Maybe. I have a hard time giving him that much credit though. I think he routinely sticks his foot in his mouth unthinkingly, and either because of the loyalty of his support base or because he doubles down on it, or whatever, it just tends to work out for him in the end.
              I think it is a bit of both. That he regularly sticks his foot in it especially with his tendency toward heavy exaggeration and hyperbole[1] is undeniable. But he's done it enough times on purpose and got the results he sought too often to ignore that.

              The best example that I can remember of the latter was his tweet "attacking" Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh nomination hearings by specifically listing a number of the problems with her claim. As he expected the MSM immediately jumped on him for being a sexist misogynistic ogre for daring to be so mean to poor little Ford. But in doing so they repeated what Trump said and for millions of Americans this was the first time they had heard these things. Prior to Trump's tweet and the MSM's coverage of it they may have heard that there were discrepancies in her story but not many if any details. Now they were seeing just how many discrepancies that there were and how big they were. Within the week Ford and Kavanaugh were even when it came to who the public thought was credible whereas the week before Ford was enjoying a double digit lead in that measure.








              1. Apparently it is a common trait among people from Queens. Everything is the best, the biggest, the most... I always thought that was a characteristic unique with Texans but apparently it isn't.

              I'm always still in trouble again

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                He's reminding me of JimL more and more.
                I was joking! Didn't you see the smiley? Can't you take a joke? What's wrong with you? Too sensitive? Do you need a safe space? Poor whiny trumpy.





                Here's the smiley

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                • Here is a serious question for all of the Evangelical Trumpys who were around in the 90s.
                  What is the difference between Bill Clinton sticking his willy where it didn't belong and Donald Trump sticking his donny where it doesn't belong?

                  One is a democrat and the other says he is a republican.
                  If that isn't hypocritical, then nothing can be.

                  AND if you are going to excuse Dishonest Donald Trump for everything he is doing, then you have to excuse EVERYONE for anything THEY do.
                  Including me. And as your orange hero says "We don't have to involve God in that".



                  And here is your smiley cowpie

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    I think it is a bit of both. That he regularly sticks his foot in it especially with his tendency toward heavy exaggeration and hyperbole[1] is undeniable. But he's done it enough times on purpose and got the results he sought too often to ignore that.

                    The best example that I can remember of the latter was his tweet "attacking" Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh nomination hearings by specifically listing a number of the problems with her claim. As he expected the MSM immediately jumped on him for being a sexist misogynistic ogre for daring to be so mean to poor little Ford. But in doing so they repeated what Trump said and for millions of Americans this was the first time they had heard these things. Prior to Trump's tweet and the MSM's coverage of it they may have heard that there were discrepancies in her story but not many if any details. Now they were seeing just how many discrepancies that there were and how big they were. Within the week Ford and Kavanaugh were even when it came to who the public thought was credible whereas the week before Ford was enjoying a double digit lead in that measure.








                    1. Apparently it is a common trait among people from Queens. Everything is the best, the biggest, the most... I always thought that was a characteristic unique with Texans but apparently it isn't.
                    You know, a set of parenthesis can go a long way so you don't have to provide notation.

                    Yes, I agree that people from Queens (actually people from New England as well) tend to over-exaggerate as a normal mode of speaking, and I have no doubt that it comes even more naturally to a business man who's spent a lifetime making gains in self-promotion. I think the idea that Trump knowingly sways popular media to his bidding is...unlikely. In my opinion, he's no grandmaster of 4D chess. He's a fool who keeps getting away with his foolishness because he's mastered the art of doubling down, and his base loves his "not a politician/just keepin it real" persona. I'd like to think that one of these days it'll blow up in his face, but if he can get away with the lewd remarks he made behind the scenes on the Hollywood Access tape, then it's probably unlikely his base will be swayed by much.
                    Last edited by Adrift; 09-23-2019, 11:29 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Timothy View Post
                      Here is a serious question for all of the Evangelical Trumpys who were around in the 90s.
                      What is the difference between Bill Clinton sticking his willy where it didn't belong and Donald Trump sticking his donny where it doesn't belong?

                      One is a democrat and the other says he is a republican.
                      If that isn't hypocritical, then nothing can be.

                      AND if you are going to excuse Dishonest Donald Trump for everything he is doing, then you have to excuse EVERYONE for anything THEY do.
                      Including me. And as your orange hero says "We don't have to involve God in that".



                      And here is your smiley cowpie
                      The difference often asserted is that one was in office and lied under oath, the other was before office, and Trump may now be a changed man.

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                      • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                        The difference often asserted is that one was in office and lied under oath, the other was before office, and Trump may now be a changed man.
                        I think it's worth pointing out that Trump doesn't seem guilty of sexual immorality in recent years (to my knowledge)...

                        ...however, I'm also not aware of any repentance on his part of this past sin, which is concerning to me.
                        I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                        • Originally posted by Adrift View Post
                          The difference often asserted is that one was in office and lied under oath, the other was before office, and Trump may now be a changed man.
                          One was in office and one wasn't in office? Is that really the excuse Trumpys use? The location? If I have sex with an adult film star am I good to go as long as I am not in the oval office?
                          Also, both lied. No difference there.

                          There is no evidence that Trump is a changed man. Sex exchanged for other sins, that's not really an upgrade.
                          Trumpys make excuses for Trump. That is the way things work. They don't even care if that makes them hypocrites. They are proud! They wear Trump's name on their foreheads!

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                          • Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                            I think it's worth pointing out that Trump doesn't seem guilty of sexual immorality in recent years (to my knowledge)...

                            ...however, I'm also not aware of any repentance on his part of this past sin, which is concerning to me.
                            There's no way somebody wouldn't have said something by now had he done something in office. Every time he says something stupid in a briefing or whatever, it gets leaked.

                            He certainly hasn't repented of sins like pride and vengeance, but those are issues for many of us.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              There's no way somebody wouldn't have said something by now had he done something in office. Every time he says something stupid in a briefing or whatever, it gets leaked.

                              He certainly hasn't repented of sins like pride and vengeance, but those are issues for many of us.
                              I'm just thinking--and keeping in mind that I don't pay much attention to these things--his claims to current Christian faith seem pretty weak sauce to me, especially in light of lacking things like a repudiation of past immorality (his "grab" comment, etc.). I've seen some claim that he's a baby Christian, which I suppose is possible, but I'm not sure I buy it.
                              I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                              • Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                                Timothy,

                                I actively campaigned against Trump in the primaries. No one in my family voted for him in the primaries. But, when faced with Hillary or Trump, I almost literally held my nose and voted for him. Since he has been POTUS, I have not approved of a lot of his tweets, and statements, but, I don't know of any immoral act he has done since becoming president.

                                1) What immoral acts do you think he has done in the last 3 years since being elected?
                                Here you go.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...ica/ar-AAHGsQ3
                                He has pressured a foreign leader to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.


                                He urged a foreign country to intervene in the 2016 presidential election.

                                He divulged classified information to foreign officials.

                                He publicly undermined American intelligence agents while standing next to a hostile foreign autocrat.

                                He hired a national security adviser who he knew had secretly worked as a foreign lobbyist.

                                He encourages foreign leaders to enrich him and his family by staying at his hotels.

                                He genuflects to murderous dictators.

                                He has alienated America’s closest allies.

                                He lied to the American people about his company’s business dealings in Russia.

                                He tells new lies virtually every week — about the economy, voter fraud, even the weather.

                                He spends hours on end watching television and days on end staying at resorts.

                                He often declines to read briefing books or perform other basic functions of a president’s job.

                                He has aides, as well as members of his own party in Congress, who mock him behind his back as unfit for office.

                                He has repeatedly denigrated a deceased United States senator who was a war hero.

                                He insulted a Gold Star family — the survivors of American troops killed in action.

                                He described a former first lady, not long after she died, as “nasty.”

                                He described white supremacists as “some very fine people.”

                                He told four women of color, all citizens and members of Congress, to “go back and help fix the totally broken and crime-infested places from which they came.”

                                He made a joke about Pocahontas during a ceremony honoring Native American World War II veterans.

                                He launched his political career by falsely claiming that the first black president was not really American.

                                He launched his presidential campaign by describing Mexicans as “rapists.”

                                He has described women, variously, as “a dog,” “a pig” and “horseface,” as well as “bleeding badly from a facelift” and having “blood coming out of her wherever.”

                                He has been accused of sexual assault or misconduct by multiple women.

                                He enthusiastically campaigned for a Senate candidate who was accused of molesting multiple teenage girls.

                                He waved around his arms, while giving a speech, to ridicule a physically disabled person.

                                He has encouraged his supporters to commit violence against his political opponents.

                                He has called for his opponents and critics to be investigated and jailed.

                                He uses a phrase popular with dictators — “the enemy of the people” — to describe journalists.

                                He attempts to undermine any independent source of information that he does not like, including judges, scientists, journalists, election officials, the F.B.I., the C.I.A., the Congressional Budget Office and the National Weather Service.

                                He has tried to harass the chairman of the Federal Reserve into lowering interest rates.

                                He said that a judge could not be objective because of his Mexican heritage.

                                He obstructed justice by trying to influence an investigation into his presidential campaign.

                                He violated federal law by directing his lawyer to pay $280,000 in hush money to cover up two apparent extramarital affairs.

                                He made his fortune partly through wide-scale financial fraud.

                                He has refused to release his tax returns.

                                He falsely accused his predecessor of wiretapping him.

                                He claimed that federal law-enforcement agents and prosecutors regularly fabricated evidence, thereby damaging the credibility of criminal investigations across the country.

                                He has ordered children to be physically separated from their parents.

                                He has suggested that America is no different from or better than Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

                                He has called America a “hellhole.”

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...ica/ar-AAHGsQ3

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