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  • Why crucified?

    Why did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation? Can this be put simply, as if explaining to a child who equates God with love. Thank you.

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    Originally posted by princesa View Post
    Why did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation? Can this be put simply, as if explaining to a child who equates God with love. Thank you.
    Several reasons:

    1) God is not only love. God is also holy and demands perfection. Man is incapable of perfection and deserves punishment with death. Because of his love, God took that punishment upon himself by dying on the cross.

    2) God wants us to sacrifice everything out of love, and so he gave us an example of ultimate love by suffering and dying to save us. This should make us want to love and sacrifice for other people.

    3) By rising from the dead as he predicted, Jesus showed himself to be who he said he was: The Son of God, one with God. We can know that Jesus is trustworthy when he tells us that he is the only way to God, and the way to have eternal life.

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    • #3
      Why would God demand a perfection He did not create in us and instead make us incapable of it to the degree we aren't worthy enough to even live? Thank you.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by princesa View Post
        Why would God demand a perfection He did not create in us and instead make us incapable of it to the degree we aren't worthy enough to even live? Thank you.
        He provides for us a means to perfection, by accepting the perfect sacrifice of His only Son. God is also patient with us as we seek to be more perfect (complete, mature, "finished") by becoming more and more like His Son.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #5
          Originally posted by princesa View Post
          Why would God demand a perfection He did not create in us and instead make us incapable of it to the degree we aren't worthy enough to even live? Thank you.
          I didn't realize you wanted to debate.

          God created Adam perfect. When Adam's sin made him and his progeny ineligible for a fellowship with God based on their own moral perfection, God in his love provided himself as a substitute so that man could be seen as perfect, and his sins covered.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RBerman View Post
            I didn't realize you wanted to debate.

            God created Adam perfect. When Adam's sin made him and his progeny ineligible for a fellowship with God based on their own moral perfection, God in his love provided himself as a substitute so that man could be seen as perfect, and his sins covered.
            I certainly don't want to debate with someone that knows far more than me and that I admire. Text sometimes creates tones not intended. The question just popped in my head based on number one and I was interested in understanding better. Thanks for answering.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by princesa View Post
              I certainly don't want to debate with someone that knows far more than me and that I admire. Text sometimes creates tones not intended. The question just popped in my head based on number one and I was interested in understanding better. Thanks for answering.
              You are welcome. Sorry for mistaking your tone.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by princesa View Post
                Why did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation?
                Stoning would result in broken bones.

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                • #9
                  The requirement is specific:

                  Galatians 3:13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--


                  He took away the curse that faced mankind.
                  Last edited by footwasher; 04-30-2014, 12:05 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RBerman View Post
                    You are welcome. Sorry for mistaking your tone.
                    Always perceive hatred between the spaces of the words I type.
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                    • #11
                      My "theory" is that in order for us to have free will and NOT sin after the judgment, we have to have a personal knowledge and experience of how bad sin really is. Adam didn't have that knowledge and he sinned. But seeing what sin does in our own lives, to those we love, and the sacrifice Jesus made for our sins, will make it possible for us to not sin in the next life and yet retain free will.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by princesa View Post
                        Why did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation? Can this be put simply, as if explaining to a child who equates God with love. Thank you.
                        Jesus died to ransom us from the power of the grave (Hos. 13:14), to which Adam had enslaved us (1 Cor. 15:22). Crucifixion is how the Adversary chose to exact payment.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Jesus died to ransom us from the power of the grave (Hos. 13:14)
                          This means He died to save us from earthly death and eternal salvation, yes?

                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          to which Adam had enslaved us (1 Cor. 15:22)
                          I wondered if another option other than crucifixion would have set us free...like 'make us perfect with free will' or something else that would show love for us in a less tortuous manner.

                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Crucifixion is how the Adversary chose to exact payment.
                          What do you mean? It was God who chose to crucify Jesus/Himself, was it not? thanks

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Remonstrant View Post
                            Always perceive hatred between the spaces of the words I type.
                            surely you could have thought of a footnote to add here. you always use footnotes

                            (you are slacking on comma usage as well)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                              The requirement is specific:

                              Galatians 3:13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--


                              He took away the curse that faced mankind.
                              thank you for providing this passage. it is pretty heady though, to think of Christ as a curse.

                              I'm just at a point where I wanted to start over and try to understand the basics.

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