Why did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation? Can this be put simply, as if explaining to a child who equates God with love. Thank you.
Announcement
Collapse
Christianity 201 Guidelines
orthodox Christians only.
Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.
The Tweb rules apply here like they do everywhere at Tweb, if you haven't read them, now would be a good time.
Forum Rules: Here
Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.
The Tweb rules apply here like they do everywhere at Tweb, if you haven't read them, now would be a good time.
Forum Rules: Here
See more
See less
Why crucified?
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by princesa View PostWhy did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation? Can this be put simply, as if explaining to a child who equates God with love. Thank you.
1) God is not only love. God is also holy and demands perfection. Man is incapable of perfection and deserves punishment with death. Because of his love, God took that punishment upon himself by dying on the cross.
2) God wants us to sacrifice everything out of love, and so he gave us an example of ultimate love by suffering and dying to save us. This should make us want to love and sacrifice for other people.
3) By rising from the dead as he predicted, Jesus showed himself to be who he said he was: The Son of God, one with God. We can know that Jesus is trustworthy when he tells us that he is the only way to God, and the way to have eternal life.
-
Originally posted by princesa View PostWhy would God demand a perfection He did not create in us and instead make us incapable of it to the degree we aren't worthy enough to even live? Thank you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by princesa View PostWhy would God demand a perfection He did not create in us and instead make us incapable of it to the degree we aren't worthy enough to even live? Thank you.
God created Adam perfect. When Adam's sin made him and his progeny ineligible for a fellowship with God based on their own moral perfection, God in his love provided himself as a substitute so that man could be seen as perfect, and his sins covered.
Comment
-
Originally posted by RBerman View PostI didn't realize you wanted to debate.
God created Adam perfect. When Adam's sin made him and his progeny ineligible for a fellowship with God based on their own moral perfection, God in his love provided himself as a substitute so that man could be seen as perfect, and his sins covered.
Comment
-
Originally posted by princesa View PostI certainly don't want to debate with someone that knows far more than me and that I admire. Text sometimes creates tones not intended. The question just popped in my head based on number one and I was interested in understanding better. Thanks for answering.
Comment
-
The requirement is specific:
Galatians 3:13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--
He took away the curse that faced mankind.Last edited by footwasher; 04-29-2014, 11:05 PM.
Comment
-
Originally posted by RBerman View PostYou are welcome. Sorry for mistaking your tone.For Neo-Remonstration (Arminian/Remonstrant ruminations): <https://theremonstrant.blogspot.com>
Comment
-
My "theory" is that in order for us to have free will and NOT sin after the judgment, we have to have a personal knowledge and experience of how bad sin really is. Adam didn't have that knowledge and he sinned. But seeing what sin does in our own lives, to those we love, and the sacrifice Jesus made for our sins, will make it possible for us to not sin in the next life and yet retain free will.
Comment
-
Originally posted by princesa View PostWhy did Jesus have to be crucified for our salvation? Can this be put simply, as if explaining to a child who equates God with love. Thank you.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
sigpic
I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
Comment
-
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostJesus died to ransom us from the power of the grave (Hos. 13:14)
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Postto which Adam had enslaved us (1 Cor. 15:22)
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostCrucifixion is how the Adversary chose to exact payment.
Comment
-
Originally posted by footwasher View PostThe requirement is specific:
Galatians 3:13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us-- for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE "--
He took away the curse that faced mankind.
I'm just at a point where I wanted to start over and try to understand the basics.
Comment
Related Threads
Collapse
Topics | Statistics | Last Post | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
Started by QuantaFille, 03-20-2023, 01:50 PM
|
40 responses
154 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by QuantaFille
03-21-2023, 07:25 AM
|
||
Started by NorrinRadd, 02-21-2023, 09:16 PM
|
16 responses
118 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by tabibito
Today, 09:40 PM
|
Comment