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Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover when?

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  • Jesus and His disciples ate the Passover when?

    "And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?" -- Mark 14:12.

    According to the Jewish calendar the Passover meal is eaten the evening of the 15th of Nisan

    In 30 A.D. Jewish calendar 3790 the Passover would have been eaten Wednesday evening.
    In 33 A.D. Jewish calendar 3793 the Passover would have been eaten Friday evening.
    6
    Tuesday evening.
    16.67%
    1
    Wednesday evening.
    16.67%
    1
    Thursday evening. (Tradition)
    33.33%
    2
    Other (Please specify)
    33.33%
    2

    The poll is expired.

    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

  • #2
    It seems like "Wednesday evening" for a Jew would probably be considered Tuesday evening for us.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
      It seems like "Wednesday evening" for a Jew would probably be considered Tuesday evening for us.
      Yes, the Jewish day begins the evening before the day. So the 15th of Nisan on the 5th day being our Thursday would begin the evening of our Wednesday. According to the modern Jewish calendar calculations the 15th of Nisan never falls on a Monday, Wednesday or a Friday. But only on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and the Sabbath our Saturday (1st day, 3rd day, 5th day and 7th day).
      Last edited by 37818; 04-19-2014, 08:55 PM. Reason: typed a 4 for 5 in err.
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #4
        Then I don't understand why you voted for Wednesday night if you agree with me that the correct time would be Tuesday night.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
          Then I don't understand why you voted for Wednesday night if you agree with me that the correct time would be Tuesday night.
          What I agreed with was the Jewish day on a Wednesday would begin Tuesday evening.
          The 15th of Nisan fell on a Thursday.
          Its evening was on Wednesday. The 15th of Nisan is not to fall on the even days Monday, Wednesday or Friday (2nd, 4th or 6th day).
          Last edited by 37818; 04-19-2014, 09:26 PM.
          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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          • #6
            For me, the important point is they gathered and ate and Jesus gave the teachings of the night. Determining the precise year, day, and day of the week seems to be a distraction from the importance of the event.
            "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

            "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
              For me, the important point is they gathered and ate and Jesus gave the teachings of the night. Determining the precise year, day, and day of the week seems to be a distraction from the importance of the event.
              The Bible is supposed to be inerrant and that claim is being attacked. So we need to make sure of our facts when defending that.
              The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

              [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 37818
                The 15th of Nisan fell on a Thursday.
                Its evening was on Wednesday. The 15th of Nisan is not to fall on the even days Monday, Wednesday or Friday (2nd, 4th or 6th day).
                The Passover occurs on the 14th day. This would be Tuesday night. Then Jesus the real lamb of God would also be killed later on the 14th (Wednesday afternoon).

                Exodus 12:18-19
                In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even. Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land.


                Joshua 5:10-11
                And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.
                And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.


                Ezekiel 45:21
                In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.


                Note: Some sources say that the Passover is eight days, but the Bible seems to contradict this doctrine. Most likely, the eighth day or 21st of Nisan is the point at which they were allowed to eat regular bread again.

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                • #9
                  I don't defend 100 percent innerrency I do defend accuracy. The account of Scripture is accurate. So, Tuesday at sundown or Wednesday at sundown, Jesus arose from the grave. I'm happy. the end.
                  A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                  George Bernard Shaw

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                  • #10
                    Would a skeptic be quiet after getting an answer of "Tuesday or Wednesday, who cares"?
                    The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                    [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                      Would a skeptic be quiet after getting an answer of "Tuesday or Wednesday, who cares"?
                      If the skeptic is arguing over precisely when an event occurred and not the bigger issues, I would wonder if he is just grasping for a reason not to believe. There are many events once you got further back than say 400 years, that can not be precisely dated but no one doubts they happened.
                      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                      • #12
                        I give TM an AMEN! The account is accurate. That doesn't mean it must be precise. It's telling the truth.
                        A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                        George Bernard Shaw

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                        • #13
                          I guess TM and Cathy gave good answers, but I wonder about the best way to help the skeptic. And maybe in trying to determine what the best date is, we might learn more about the events in the Bible.
                          The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                          [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                          • #14
                            We simply do not know. Happy Easter!
                            βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
                            ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

                            אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
                              I guess TM and Cathy gave good answers, but I wonder about the best way to help the skeptic. And maybe in trying to determine what the best date is, we might learn more about the events in the Bible.
                              Before trying to determine the date of the Passover meal (or the resurrection) you'd better determine whether or not the Bible is even precise enough for you to make a judgement one way or the other.

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