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  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    It seems to me that He could have fairly easily found non-miraculous means to do either.
    Sense of humor, OBP.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Sense of humor, OBP.
      Mixed signals, CP. Or am I missing the humor in the second one?
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      • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Mixed signals, CP. Or am I missing the humor in the second one?
        Pass. I guess I just don't do so well in this medium.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Anyway, today was the first time since this event that I saw the son of the deceased - EMS John.
          (Well, we had the debriefing that night, then I saw him at the viewing before the funeral, and again at the funeral itself)

          The EMS Director had told me that John was finally "getting back to normal".

          After the meeting today, John wanted to talk to me, and I figured it was about "the incident".

          It wasn't. John told me about a nurse friend of his in a neighboring city who had been through a very traumatic ordeal, and attended a CISM debriefing, but it turned out to be more "finger-pointing" than resolution.
          John had been in one of my CISM defusings, and suggested to this nurse that she should talk to me. (he plans on giving her my contact info)

          "The incident" never came up, so I let it go. I'd still love to know what John thought about it, since he looked at me a couple times during "the incident" like he had no idea what was going on, but - unless somebody else brings it up for discussion, I'll leave it alone.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

            I am not aware of anything remotely resembling the incident in the OP. I'm also not aware of anything along the lines of the common practice of "There's someone here with a festering boil on your butt. God is healing you. There's someone else with an upside-down nose. God is healing you too." Having said that, I'm also not aware of anything in Scripture saying such "words of knowledge" (not necessarily what Paul actually meant by the expression) can't or won't ever happen.
            The sons of Sceva might come close.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Never said it was "for nor purpose". I can think of several.

              Why did Jesus walk across the sea?
              A) To get to the other side:
              2) To make Himself available should the Disciples decide to call on Him.
              A) It was the basilisk's day off.
              2) Seems reasonable.
              iii) A concrete demonstration of the work of God - to the faithful - so that they might believe (with greater assurance).
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                A) It was the basilisk's day off.
                2) Seems reasonable.
                iii) A concrete demonstration of the work of God - to the faithful - so that they might believe (with greater assurance).
                ETA: Mark 6:52 would lend support for iii
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  I can't think of any instance where someone asked for the dead to be raised; they all seem to be examples of hope unlooked for - from the Shunamite widow's son to Eutychus.
                  On that you score 6 points.
                  goal.jpggoal scored.jpg

                  I didn't include healing and exorcism miracles earlier because they were all performed for the benefit of the afflicted person - but the only miracle without some obvious benefit which comes to mind is Jesus walking on water.
                  The aforementioned Mark 6:52 is reason enough, I think.
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                  • Keener includes a few accounts of missionaries walking on water in Indonesia in his Miracles Today book.
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                    • On the general matter of praying for dead to be raised, here Sam Storms gives his take on the "Baby Olive" tragedy of a few years ago.
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                      Beige Federalist.

                      Nationalist Christian.

                      "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                      Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                      Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                      Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                      Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                      Justice for Matthew Perna!

                      Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                      • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                        Keener includes a few accounts of missionaries walking on water in Indonesia in his Miracles Today book.
                        There's nothing particularly surprising about anything that a saint might prove capable of.
                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                        • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                          On the general matter of praying for dead to be raised, here Sam Storms gives his take on the "Baby Olive" tragedy of a few years ago.
                          Thanks for the article, NR.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                            There's nothing particularly surprising about anything that a saint might prove capable of.
                            Define "saint".
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              Define "saint".
                              The prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. The prayers of the average Christian accomplish precious little.
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                                The prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. The prayers of the average Christian accomplish precious little.
                                Thanks for the non-definition.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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