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  • #16
    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    I once had a pastor who was on the whole very sound but would not do discipling. His reason was apparently there was a "discipling" movement in the 1990's or early 2000's that went way beyond disciplining to controlling peoples' lives. I agree that discipling by the wrong person can lead to bad or even tragic results. I think this is what JP Holding is thinking about. However just because something can be done badly, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

    To answer your question, the closest analogy I can come up with is personal or group therapy. However instead of helping someone deal with life, discipleship is that plus helping the person develop a Christ-like character. For example, see Matthew 16:24 or 2 Corinthians 3:18. Part of this would also be helping the person develop a deeper relationship with God.
    Perhaps it's just a matter of getting too hung up on words (I remember the user on here who was aghast that any Christian would support "dating" and that only "courting" was acceptable, and it turns out his idea of "courting" was how I defined "dating".)
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

      I once had a pastor who was on the whole very sound but would not do discipling. His reason was apparently there was a "discipling" movement in the 1990's or early 2000's that went way beyond disciplining to controlling peoples' lives. I agree that discipling by the wrong person can lead to bad or even tragic results. I think this is what JP Holding is thinking about. However just because something can be done badly, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

      To answer your question, the closest analogy I can come up with is personal or group therapy. However instead of helping someone deal with life, discipleship is that plus helping the person develop a Christ-like character. For example, see Matthew 16:24 or 2 Corinthians 3:18. Part of this would also be helping the person develop a deeper relationship with God.
      It's always a bad thing not to do a good thing because somebody else did that good thing badly.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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