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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    This is for real?
    It's pretty much symbolic at this point.

    https://www.kptv.com/2022/11/10/2-mo...oving-borders/
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

      It's pretty much symbolic at this point.

      https://www.kptv.com/2022/11/10/2-mo...oving-borders/
      Interesting.

      Meanwhile, I haven't heard any more talk of Texas seceding from the Union lately.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

        These days, I don't think margin of victory matters. In my case, I fully expect Hochul to roar on with her agenda even though it appears distinctly unpopular with a good portion of NY.
        It seems like that today someone could squeak through to victory by a hand full of votes after being forced into a run-off, and they'll still claim they have a mandate.

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #19
          Originally posted by seanD View Post

          No doubt the Dems in general across the nation are going to roar ahead with their agenda, and that agenda is going to continue to be economic destruction. The people got what they voted for apparently and they're going to regret it. As far as politics, I'm with you and I think I'm going to back away from it pretty much moving forward, or at least not engage in it as much I've been. I think it's basically over for US conservatives, and I doubt they'll win another major election, not as long as this universal ballot system and system of lawlessness is in place. It's time to move on to more pressing spiritual matters IMO.
          Always nice to learn I'm not alone in my thinking. I think the Moral Majority lead Christians into a blind alley regarding politics. While we should be a part of the political process, we can't expect it to bring salvation to the US. I think in general, the church needs to pull back from political advocacy (even if it's of the inferred type). Time to get back to spiritual matters.
          "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

          "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            My reaction....

            same thing for many other situations....

            Work like it depends on you (vote)
            Pray like it depends on God (and leave the results to Him)

            Maybe we, as a Nation, haven't been judged enough?
            This nation hasn't been judged nearly enough. Watch for it to start in the churches as God will take care of His own house before dealing with the rest.
            "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

            "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

              Always nice to learn I'm not alone in my thinking. I think the Moral Majority lead Christians into a blind alley regarding politics. While we should be a part of the political process, we can't expect it to bring salvation to the US. I think in general, the church needs to pull back from political advocacy (even if it's of the inferred type). Time to get back to spiritual matters.
              Unfortunately, the "spiritual matters" and the "political advocacy" are sometimes inseparable. Like taking a stand against what's going on in public schools, and voting in people who will be advocates of the parents and students rather than defenders of the system.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                Unfortunately, the "spiritual matters" and the "political advocacy" are sometimes inseparable. Like taking a stand against what's going on in public schools, and voting in people who will be advocates of the parents and students rather than defenders of the system.
                I agree. This is the reason we need better discernment of when and how to be involved in political advocacy. I'm not, at least not yet, calling for a withdrawal from the public square. I think we need to rethink the how and when of our political advocacy.

                The MSM equates Christian and Republican. I think we need to look back and see why. Yes, there is an argument that the Democratic party kicked Christians out - at least the conservative ones. But do we give the Republican party a pass as a result?

                I would have to think more about it but I'm leaning against forming a national Christian political party.
                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                  I agree. This is the reason we need better discernment of when and how to be involved in political advocacy. I'm not, at least not yet, calling for a withdrawal from the public square. I think we need to rethink the how and when of our political advocacy.

                  The MSM equates Christian and Republican. I think we need to look back and see why. Yes, there is an argument that the Democratic party kicked Christians out - at least the conservative ones. But do we give the Republican party a pass as a result?

                  I would have to think more about it but I'm leaning against forming a national Christian political party.
                  You have made a very good case for why I am an Independent.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                    Always nice to learn I'm not alone in my thinking. I think the Moral Majority lead Christians into a blind alley regarding politics. While we should be a part of the political process, we can't expect it to bring salvation to the US. I think in general, the church needs to pull back from political advocacy (even if it's of the inferred type). Time to get back to spiritual matters.
                    Christians (including myself) were/are definitely putting a whole lot of stock in politics to change our circumstances. We've become so comfortable as Christians here in America that that may have detrimental consequences to us in the near future. Maybe this will wake Christians up, snap us out of our optimism bias, come to terms with what's ahead and spiritually and mentally prepare for some tough times. After all, persecution and tribulation are inevitable in our Christians walk, and Jesus made that crystal clear. Politics is not going to save us from that.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post

                      Christians (including myself) were/are definitely putting a whole lot of stock in politics to change our circumstances. We've become so comfortable as Christians here in America that that may have detrimental consequences to us in the near future. Maybe this will wake Christians up, snap us out of our optimism bias, come to terms with what's ahead and spiritually and mentally prepare for some tough times. After all, persecution and tribulation are inevitable in our Christians walk, and Jesus made that crystal clear. Politics is not going to save us from that.
                      Yeah!
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by seanD View Post

                        Christians (including myself) were/are definitely putting a whole lot of stock in politics to change our circumstances. We've become so comfortable as Christians here in America that that may have detrimental consequences to us in the near future. Maybe this will wake Christians up, snap us out of our optimism bias, come to terms with what's ahead and spiritually and mentally prepare for some tough times. After all, persecution and tribulation are inevitable in our Christians walk, and Jesus made that crystal clear. Politics is not going to save us from that.
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                        I'm always still in trouble again

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