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    And at the same time, the Church realises that if someone, driven by a sense of duty and the need to honour his oath, stays loyal to his vocation and dies while carrying out his military duty, then he is, without any doubt, doing a deed that is equal to sacrifice. He is sacrificing himself for others. And, therefore, we believe that this sacrifice cleanses away all of that person’s sins.
    This seems oddly similar to the RCC claims that Crusaders would be granted absolution from sins upon death in battle. Needless to say, I'm not aware of any Bible verses that promote death in war as an alternative to accepting Jesus's sacrifice.
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
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    This seems oddly similar to the RCC claims that Crusaders would be granted absolution from sins upon death in battle. Needless to say, I'm not aware of any Bible verses that promote death in war as an alternative to accepting Jesus's sacrifice.

    Are they saying it takes the place of accepting Jesus, or are they saying that if you kill someone in battle it is not murder (a sin?)


    That has something I have always wondered about. I can understand someone not sinning if they have to kill to defend their country or to defeat evil, but what about say the side that initiated the invasion? Take the war in Ukraine. A Ukrainian defending his family and land against the Russians is killing in self defense basically. But the Russians invading are not. They are the invading force. But at the same time, many are being forced into doing it by their superiors.

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      Originally posted by Sparko View Post


      Are they saying it takes the place of accepting Jesus, or are they saying that if you kill someone in battle it is not murder (a sin?)
      Neither. Patriarch Kirill considers this a holy war, with Russia on God's side; thus, he considers those who die in battle to have died a martyr's death. In Orthodox understanding, martyrdom is considered a "baptism of blood"; since baptism forgives sin (Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38), death in battle means your sins are forgiven.
      That has something I have always wondered about. I can understand someone not sinning if they have to kill to defend their country or to defeat evil, but what about say the side that initiated the invasion? Take the war in Ukraine. A Ukrainian defending his family and land against the Russians is killing in self defense basically. But the Russians invading are not. They are the invading force. But at the same time, many are being forced into doing it by their superiors.
      Yeah, IMO Patriarch Kirill is badly wrong in equating this with a holy war; it's based on the Russkiy Mir concept, which is itself flawed.
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        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Neither. Patriarch Kirill considers this a holy war, with Russia on God's side; thus, he considers those who die in battle to have died a martyr's death. In Orthodox understanding, martyrdom is considered a "baptism of blood"; since baptism forgives sin (Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38), death in battle means your sins are forgiven.

        Yeah, IMO Patriarch Kirill is badly wrong in equating this with a holy war; it's based on the Russkiy Mir concept, which is itself flawed.
        Putin has been citing that since he first started seizing territory in the Crimea. It appears to essentially justify any aggression.

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