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    I would like some thoughts on this topic.

    A dear friend of mine has attended a church for several decades, and like so many other churches, this one has degraded itself into a seeker-sensitive wishy washy caricature of what a church should be.

    My friend and her husband stopped going during the lockdowns, and have decided not to go back. She is still friends with a few people, and gets the emailed newsletter from the church. Which they will probably also be not getting anymore.

    Through the newsletter and one friend, they have learned that the church is sponsoring a Muslim family of 5 from Afghanistan. This family will be brought here and housed and given free health care, etc. As all immigrants, legal and illegal get.

    My friend asked a lady what the extent of the church's help would be for this family. Apparently they will be helping with food, housing, and will be driving them around to wherever they have to go.

    My friend asked if the church would be witnessing to this family and telling them about Christ. No. They are not allowed to speak about Christ to them.

    My friend asked if they would be driving this family to mosque. Yes. They will be taking them wherever they need to go.

    My friend and I have serious problems with this.

    Why is the church not sponsoring a Christian family, as we are pretty sure there are many who are being oppressed in Afghanistan?

    Why is the church agreeing to take people to their places of worship but are not allowed to witness to them?

    I am interested in what others have to say about this.


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  • #2
    I appreciate wanting to help them out, but for a church to take this on and then tell people that they are not allowed to Jesus or the Bible is odd. The only reason I could see for is it (and that clearly does not seem to be the case) would be if they were themselves doing something and didn't want anyone interfering/upsetting things

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #3
      In my role as a Chaplain, it is my job to "provide assistance" in a crisis. My primary mission in that role is to give comfort, NOT to evangelize. However, it is absolutely no secret that, in the process of providing comfort, I am watching for any opportunity to share Christ.

      If I were restricted from any evangelistic engagement, I would not agree to be a chaplain. I feel the same way here. They're providing comfort to a lost family, but it should be known that our purpose in engaging those in need is ultimately eternal.

      Our faith based mission provided comfort to a Muslim family, but it was through all of that love and care that the door to evangelism was opened, because, in their words, "our religion is all about fear, and your religion is all about love". They are now a Christian family.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Our faith based mission provided comfort to a Muslim family, but it was through all of that love and care that the door to evangelism was opened, because, in their words, "our religion is all about fear, and your religion is all about love". They are now a Christian family.
        And I guess that's the hope in all this.




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        • #5
          If they are "not allowed" to speak about Jesus, that "church" is an apostate lost cause.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
            If they are "not allowed" to speak about Jesus, that "church" is an apostate lost cause.
            They are, as I said, so far away from teaching the word of God already that apostasy isn't far away.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post

              They are, as I said, so far away from teaching the word of God already that apostasy isn't far away.
              So, like too many "churches", they are more a social club?
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Driving people to the mosque on a church's behalf is what strikes me as especially problematic.

                The early church in Acts 19 took radical conversion so seriously that they burned scrolls used in sorcery. I'm not saying the church needs to have a Quran bonfire (that probably wouldn't be prudent), but to actively transport people to a worship service in another tradition in the name of Christianity is the polar opposite of anything you would see in Acts.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  So, like too many "churches", they are more a social club?
                  Not only that, but they have adopted the seeker-sensitive style of worship. Entertainment to get the people in the door. My friend told me that last Christmas the message on Christmas Eve was "Did the angels sing in scripture, or did they only speak".

                  She said there was not one word about the birth of our Saviour.

                  That's when they decided not to go back.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    Driving people to the mosque on a church's behalf is what strikes me as especially problematic.

                    The early church in Acts 19 took radical conversion so seriously that they burned scrolls used in sorcery. I'm not saying the church needs to have a Quran bonfire (that probably wouldn't be prudent), but to actively transport people to a worship service in another tradition in the name of Christianity is the polar opposite of anything you would see in Acts.
                    Indeed, that and the inability to speak of Christ are very problematic for me.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      So, like too many "churches", they are more a social club?
                      Took the words right outta my mouth.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                        Not only that, but they have adopted the seeker-sensitive style of worship. Entertainment to get the people in the door. My friend told me that last Christmas the message on Christmas Eve was "Did the angels sing in scripture, or did they only speak".

                        She said there was not one word about the birth of our Saviour.

                        That's when they decided not to go back.
                        I heard that claim -- that the angels did/do not sing, that only humans sing -- at a Christmas service back in the '80s, but it was not "the" message.
                        Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                        Beige Federalist.

                        Nationalist Christian.

                        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                        Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

                        Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                        Justice for Matthew Perna!

                        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                          Not only that, but they have adopted the seeker-sensitive style of worship. Entertainment to get the people in the door. My friend told me that last Christmas the message on Christmas Eve was "Did the angels sing in scripture, or did they only speak".

                          She said there was not one word about the birth of our Saviour.

                          That's when they decided not to go back.
                          That would do it.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                            I heard that claim -- that the angels did/do not sing, that only humans sing -- at a Christmas service back in the '80s, but it was not "the" message.
                            I have posed that as a discussion topic from time to time, but only as an aside.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Why isn't that mosque sponsoring them then?

                              Jesus talked about helping others IN HIS NAME. Which means telling them the good news about Jesus as well as helping their physical needs.

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