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The STRANGEST Spiritual Gifts

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  • The STRANGEST Spiritual Gifts

    No, not talking about Tongues.

    I'm talking about "spiritual gifts" that some people think they possess, which raise an eyebrow.

    My favorite comes from a guy who was new to our Church, and on the FIRST SUNDAY, he came up to introduce himself.

    After the customary exchange of pleasantries, he kinda reared back a little, and announced, very clearly....

    "My spiritual gift is - Pastor CorRECtor" (he said it just like that .... coor REC tor - heavy emphasis on the middle sylable)

    He explained that it was his job to take notes during my sermon, and let me know where I erred.

    I think his name was Dave something... last name... starts with an L.

    (ok, KIDDING about that last part, but not the rest)
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

  • #2
    On the other hand, I knew a man who was well taught but said he wasn't a fruit inspector. It may have been his way of dealing with at the time our current pastor who changed his positions as the fads in the Christian church changed. I get you can't be nitpicky on every little detail, especially in the nonessentials, but I can't see the pastor being a position that is exempt from correction.
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

    "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
      I can't see the pastor being a position that is exempt from correction.
      In truth yes - but the one appointing himself as "pastor corrector" is certainly not qualified for the role
      1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
      "It's bigger inside" might work for a TARDIS - it doesn't work for a bronze sea.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by tabibito View Post

        In truth yes - but the one appointing himself as "pastor corrector" is certainly not qualified for the role
        Agreed.
        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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        • #5
          Haven’t seen pastor corrector listed in the spiritual gifts I. Scripture. Perhaps you could ask him to show you where in the Bible it is?


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          • #6
            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
            Haven’t seen pastor corrector listed in the spiritual gifts I. Scripture. Perhaps you could ask him to show you where in the Bible it is?
            I figured that it would be impolite for me to mention the point - but more anciently established people are of course not subject so such considerations.
            1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
            "It's bigger inside" might work for a TARDIS - it doesn't work for a bronze sea.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
              On the other hand, I knew a man who was well taught but said he wasn't a fruit inspector. It may have been his way of dealing with at the time our current pastor who changed his positions as the fads in the Christian church changed. I get you can't be nitpicky on every little detail, especially in the nonessentials, but I can't see the pastor being a position that is exempt from correction.
              I worked for a pastor as secretary and he told me one day that he wasn’t accountable to anyone, after the board of elders took him to task for some undesirable things a pastor should not be doing. I asked him if he was accountable to, firstly God, and secondly, to the congregation that paid his salary.

              He became angry and made my job so miserable that I quit and we left the church. That was 29 years ago.

              All pastors are accountable, as are everyone in authority everywhere.


              Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                I worked for a pastor as secretary and he told me one day that he wasn’t accountable to anyone, after the board of elders took him to task for some undesirable things a pastor should not be doing. I asked him if he was accountable to, firstly God, and secondly, to the congregation that paid his salary.

                He became angry and made my job so miserable that I quit and we left the church. That was 29 years ago.

                All pastors are accountable, as are everyone in authority everywhere.
                When a pastor says he's not accountable to anyone or only accountable to God, it's probably a good time to leave that church. If for no other reason, you're under an authoritarian leader who is probably only interested in his needs and concerns and not yours.
                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                • #9
                  Here's a list of some of what the author calls "spiritual gifts – those unusual abilities that are so beyond-the-natural they had to come from the Holy Spirit – that aren’t mentioned in the Bible":

                  Ten MORE Spiritual Gifts You Won’t Find in the Bible (it links to his first ten)

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  • #10
                    Pretty sure that's a red flag. Someone thinking they aren't accountable to anyone.... may be a cult leader or other variety of wolf in sheep's clothing. At best, an arrogant fool.
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                      When a pastor says he's not accountable to anyone or only accountable to God, it's probably a good time to leave that church. If for no other reason, you're under an authoritarian leader who is probably only interested in his needs and concerns and not yours.
                      That's why we decided to leave, as well as the fact he was doing some things with the churches money that he shouldn't have been doing. About 30 people left at the same time.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                        On the other hand, I knew a man who was well taught but said he wasn't a fruit inspector. It may have been his way of dealing with at the time our current pastor who changed his positions as the fads in the Christian church changed. I get you can't be nitpicky on every little detail, especially in the nonessentials, but I can't see the pastor being a position that is exempt from correction.
                        Absolutely agreed -- I just don't see that - as he claimed - to be a Spiritual Gift. Discernment? Yes. Teaching, Exhortation.... yes.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                          Haven’t seen pastor corrector listed in the spiritual gifts I. Scripture. Perhaps you could ask him to show you where in the Bible it is?
                          He's no longer on the planet. In fact, he didn't last long at all at that Church, as one of "the sweet old ladies" lit into him about his arrogance and lack of tact.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            He's no longer on the planet. In fact, he didn't last long at all at that Church, as one of "the sweet old ladies" lit into him about his arrogance and lack of tact.
                            Ok, then.

                            It would have been interesting to know where he got the idea that "pastor corrector" is a spiritual gift.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                              Ok, then.

                              It would have been interesting to know where he got the idea that "pastor corrector" is a spiritual gift.
                              I suspect from the father of all lies. He actually had a notebook, and took notes on the sermon, and would offer damning condemnation like "you said 1 John for that one reference, but it was actually 2 John....."

                              (I will often say something like, "and the verse about [such and so] - I think it's Romans 4...." --- clearly not intended as a "thus sayeth the LORD".)
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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