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  • #31
    C4 - such an appropriate designation for a bill of this kind.
    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
    "It's bigger inside" might work for a TARDIS - it doesn't work for a bronze sea.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
      C4 - such an appropriate designation for a bill of this kind.
      My thoughts exactly.


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      • #33
        Originally posted by mossrose View Post


        Bill C-4 was sold to politicians as a standard conversion therapy ban and is now the law of the land in Canada, but the definitions and language in the law are at best vague and poorly written, and at worse censorious and unconstitutional. Most people would agree that abusive, coercive, or forced conversion therapy should be banned, which is why it has been for some time in Canada already. In order to break down the intention behind this new law, we need to look at what it adds to existing conversion therapy bans in Canada.

        When I explained some of the potential legal outcomes of Bill C-4 to several lawyers, they were understandably incredulous.

        Under the new law, a parent could tell their 11-year-old daughter that she has to wait until she is 12 to wear make-up, but if that same parent told their 11-year-old son the same thing they could be determined to have “reduced non-heteronormative” behavior and potentially be subject to jail time. Yes… jail time.

        If a spouse approached a pastor confessing to be engaged in a same-sex affair and the pastor counselled them to stop, per the either inept or malicious wording of this law, that pastor would be committing a crime.

        Even if you dared refer an inquisitive friend who was experiencing same-sex attraction to a rabbi or imam who espoused traditional sexuality, that too is now illegal. Until these lawyers looked at the law for themselves at length, they could not believe that this was the law of the land in Canada.

        While I certainly hope that these troubling and yet plausible hypotheticals will never result in someone being charged, the question remains: why bring in this new law, when conversion therapy bans are already in place, if you don’t plan on enforcing the new censorious elements of the bill?

        Is this a malicious and ideologically driven attack on traditional sexuality, mere virtue signaling or just bad law?

        I was joined by Director of Law and Policy from the Association for Reformed Political Action (ARPA) André Schutten to discuss Bill C-4 in light of the constitutional problems it poses for LGBTQ individuals and many faith communities across Canada.

        We also discussed the lack of adequate response and opposition from the politicians who allowed this bill to be passed into law unquestioned.



        https://www.rebelnews.com/legal_brea...hutten_of_arpa
        Wow. The Thought Police are real. Now you can be jailed for voicing an opinion.

        CANADIAN thought-police.jpg

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        • #34
          https://slowtowrite.com/why-pastors-...Firnbl_6nMgW58

          When politicians declare Biblical truth as a heresy that demands discipline, they ordain themselves as priests of Satan.

          Now that Bill C-4 is officially a law, Canadian politicians have become unfaithful priests that faithful pastors should oppose.

          That is why pastors in Canada and America are preaching on Biblical sexuality today.

          Bill C-4 is framed as a conversion therapy ban. But, it’s really a Christian therapy ban. And considering the cunning and vague nature of the law, Bill C-4 threatens to criminalize Biblical preaching too.

          After all, good Christian counsellors are simply preachers who sit behind a desk, instead of standing behind a pulpit.


          When Bill C-4 became a law on January 7th, Prime Prime Minister Trudeau said, “it is now illegal to promote, advertise, benefit from, or subject someone to this hateful and harmful practice.”

          However, Bill C-4 won’t protect homosexual and transgender people from hate or harm. It’ll actually penalize the people who attempt to protect them from hate and harm.

          The preamble for the bill says:

          “conversion therapy causes harm to society because, among other things, it is based on and propagates myths and stereotypes about sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression, including the myth that heterosexuality, cisgender gender identity, and gender expression that conforms to the sex assigned to a person at birth are to be preferred over other sexual orientations, gender identities and gender expressions…in light of those harms, it is important to discourage and denounce the provision of conversion therapy in order to protect the human dignity and equality of all Canadians.”

          Therefore, the Bill implicitly suggests the Bible is filled with hateful and harmful myths about sexuality, equality, and human dignity.

          What blasphemous thing to suggest about the word of God—what a blasphemous thing to suggest about God!

          God created all people in his image—so he gets to set the rules about the right way to protect human dignity, not the government.

          Nevertheless, Bill C-4 says:

          conversion therapy means a practice, treatment or service designed to

          (a) change a person’s sexual orientation to heterosexual;

          b) change a person’s gender identity to cisgender;

          (c) change a person’s gender expression so that it conforms to the sex assigned to the person at birth;

          (d) repress or reduce non-heterosexual attraction or sexual behaviour;

          (e) repress a person’s non-cisgender gender identity; or

          (f) repress or reduce a person’s gender expression that does not conform to the sex assigned to the person at birth.”

          Therefore, anyone who influences a person to undergo conversion therapy or provides conversion therapy to that person could be fined or sentenced to up to five years in prison. And anyone who promotes conversion therapy could be fined or sentenced to up two years in prison.

          Meaning, under the vague law: anyone—especially Biblical counsellors and pastors—who promote Biblical sexuality could be penalized for practising or promoting conversion therapy.

          This is why under the leadership of Liberty Coalition Canada, James Coates, and John MacArthur—pastors across Canada and America are preaching on Biblical sexuality today.






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          • #35
            This past Tuesday, a representative of Liberty Coalition Canada interviewed John MacArthur about the bill and about the thousands of pastors speaking out against it yesterday. I haven't listened to it yet but I plan to when I can.

            https://rumble.com/vsdh21-pastor-joh...-bill-c-4.html
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            • #36
              James Coates' sermon from yesterday:



              Quite good, getting right to the heart of the matter in Romans 1 addressing mankind's depravity and God's wrath on it in judgement.
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              "[Sing] and [make] melody in your heart to the Lord." -- Ephesians 5:19b

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              • #37
                John MacArthur's sermon from Sunday. No video or transcript yet, but at least for now there's audio.

                https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-...re-some-of-you
                ~ Russell ("MelMak")

                "[Sing] and [make] melody in your heart to the Lord." -- Ephesians 5:19b

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by mossrose View Post


                  Bill C-4 was sold to politicians as a standard conversion therapy ban and is now the law of the land in Canada, but the definitions and language in the law are at best vague and poorly written, and at worse censorious and unconstitutional. Most people would agree that abusive, coercive, or forced conversion therapy should be banned, which is why it has been for some time in Canada already. In order to break down the intention behind this new law, we need to look at what it adds to existing conversion therapy bans in Canada.

                  When I explained some of the potential legal outcomes of Bill C-4 to several lawyers, they were understandably incredulous.

                  Under the new law, a parent could tell their 11-year-old daughter that she has to wait until she is 12 to wear make-up, but if that same parent told their 11-year-old son the same thing they could be determined to have “reduced non-heteronormative” behavior and potentially be subject to jail time. Yes… jail time.

                  If a spouse approached a pastor confessing to be engaged in a same-sex affair and the pastor counselled them to stop, per the either inept or malicious wording of this law, that pastor would be committing a crime.

                  Even if you dared refer an inquisitive friend who was experiencing same-sex attraction to a rabbi or imam who espoused traditional sexuality, that too is now illegal. Until these lawyers looked at the law for themselves at length, they could not believe that this was the law of the land in Canada.

                  While I certainly hope that these troubling and yet plausible hypotheticals will never result in someone being charged, the question remains: why bring in this new law, when conversion therapy bans are already in place, if you don’t plan on enforcing the new censorious elements of the bill?

                  Is this a malicious and ideologically driven attack on traditional sexuality, mere virtue signaling or just bad law?

                  I was joined by Director of Law and Policy from the Association for Reformed Political Action (ARPA) André Schutten to discuss Bill C-4 in light of the constitutional problems it poses for LGBTQ individuals and many faith communities across Canada.

                  We also discussed the lack of adequate response and opposition from the politicians who allowed this bill to be passed into law unquestioned.



                  https://www.rebelnews.com/legal_brea...hutten_of_arpa
                  Just watched the video --- wow, so clear.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by The Melody Maker View Post
                    John MacArthur's sermon from Sunday. No video or transcript yet, but at least for now there's audio.

                    https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-...re-some-of-you
                    Transcript now available.
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                    Beige Federalist.

                    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                    • #40
                      Captain Pedantic notes...

                      "By the nineteenth chapter, the end of the nineteenth chapter [of Genesis], verse 36, you have incest."

                      Actually, incest had to be around much earlier than that, if all humanity descended from Adam and Eve.
                      Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                      Beige Federalist.

                      "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                      Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                      Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

                      Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                      Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                      Justice for Matthew Perna!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                        Captain Pedantic notes...

                        "By the nineteenth chapter, the end of the nineteenth chapter [of Genesis], verse 36, you have incest."

                        Actually, incest had to be around much earlier than that, if all humanity descended from Adam and Eve.
                        Was it really necessary to throw that little snark in? We all know you don’t like MacArthur.


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