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  • #46
    Guess Dave doesn't hold the door open for the person right behind him and lets the door slam in their face. After all, we hold doors open to get dogs back in the house!
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Dave L View Post

      Jesus has pure motives. We do not. That's why we give without people knowing where it comes from.
      Wow. Your motives stink so bad that you have to hide behind the Salvation Army, Dave?

      Seriously, this is yet another example of where you pick, Cafeteria Style, the verses to justify the way you want to do things, and totally ignore the totally of God's Word.

      Too bad the Salvation Army wasn't around when the Good Samaritan spent so much time on the guy who needed help!
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #48
        Jesus was forbidding what we might call "virtue signaling ". Dave also doesn't know what a hyperbole is. He probably thinks any figure of speech is tantamount to lying.
        If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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        • #49
          So, the Good Samaritan, let's review... (and I'll stick with the KJV just for Dave)


          Scripture Verse: Luke 10

          25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. 29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

          30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
          32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side. 33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him, 34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. 35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

          36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

          37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

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          Perhaps the Gospel According to Dave would change that last phrase to "Go, then, and donate generously to the Salvation Army".
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dave L View Post

            Jesus has pure motives. We do not. That's why we give without people knowing where it comes from.
            So you believe Jesus taught "Do as I say, not as I do." That would make him a hypocrite.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              So you believe Jesus taught "Do as I say, not as I do." That would make him a hypocrite.
              You can wind up in an affair you didn't plan on unless you do it according to scripture.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                “But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms [charitable giving] may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.” Matthew 6:3–4 (KJV 1900)
                You are decontextualizing those two verses. You should look at the entirety of Matthew 6:1-4 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)

                I don't think the main point Jesus is going at is to give in anonymously. I think He is going for not making a show of your giving. The best modern analogy I can come up with of what Jesus is talking about is when a rich person donates a bundle to an organization and gets mentioned in the local media and maybe a building named for them.
                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                  You are decontextualizing those two verses. You should look at the entirety of Matthew 6:1-4 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)

                  I don't think the main point Jesus is going at is to give in anonymously. I think He is going for not making a show of your giving. The best modern analogy I can come up with of what Jesus is talking about is when a rich person donates a bundle to an organization and gets mentioned in the local media and maybe a building named for them.
                  Give according to scripture. You are setting yourself up for all kinds of trouble if you do not.

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                  • #54
                    Or just don't do it so everyone else thinks you are a great person. Help others because helping others is good.
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                      You can wind up in an affair you didn't plan on unless you do it according to scripture.


                      I think we need Paul Harvey to tell us the rest of the story.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                        “But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms [charitable giving] may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.” Matthew 6:3–4 (KJV 1900)
                        So basically you are just being greedy trying to give in secret so you can get more rewards rather than just helping someone because it is the right thing to do?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                          So basically you are just being greedy trying to give in secret so you can get more rewards rather than just helping someone because it is the right thing to do?
                          Jesus says to not be known when doing your alms. You can really trip up in this one if you ignore Him.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post



                            I think we need Paul Harvey to tell us the rest of the story.
                            Your flesh is an easy target unless you do it Jesus' way.

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                            • #59
                              So, when that beggar asked Peter and John for money, they should have just left instead of healing him? Again, CONTEXT MATTERS! Stop ripping verses out of context and stop taking hyperbolic statements literally! Or you get stuff like Judas went and hung himself... Go,therefore, and do likewise. The Bible doesn't actually recommend suicide. Just a joke showing why you don't rip things of of context.
                              If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                                Your flesh is an easy target unless you do it Jesus' way.
                                How? You think we have the free will of an inanimate object.
                                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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