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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
Jesus has pure motives. We do not. That's why we give without people knowing where it comes from.
Seriously, this is yet another example of where you pick, Cafeteria Style, the verses to justify the way you want to do things, and totally ignore the totally of God's Word.
Too bad the Salvation Army wasn't around when the Good Samaritan spent so much time on the guy who needed help!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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So, the Good Samaritan, let's review... (and I'll stick with the KJV just for Dave)
Perhaps the Gospel According to Dave would change that last phrase to "Go, then, and donate generously to the Salvation Army".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
Jesus has pure motives. We do not. That's why we give without people knowing where it comes from.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
“But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms [charitable giving] may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.” Matthew 6:3–4 (KJV 1900)
I don't think the main point Jesus is going at is to give in anonymously. I think He is going for not making a show of your giving. The best modern analogy I can come up with of what Jesus is talking about is when a rich person donates a bundle to an organization and gets mentioned in the local media and maybe a building named for them."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
You are decontextualizing those two verses. You should look at the entirety of Matthew 6:1-4 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)
I don't think the main point Jesus is going at is to give in anonymously. I think He is going for not making a show of your giving. The best modern analogy I can come up with of what Jesus is talking about is when a rich person donates a bundle to an organization and gets mentioned in the local media and maybe a building named for them.
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
You can wind up in an affair you didn't plan on unless you do it according to scripture.
I think we need Paul Harvey to tell us the rest of the story.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
“But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms [charitable giving] may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.” Matthew 6:3–4 (KJV 1900)
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
So basically you are just being greedy trying to give in secret so you can get more rewards rather than just helping someone because it is the right thing to do?
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So, when that beggar asked Peter and John for money, they should have just left instead of healing him? Again, CONTEXT MATTERS! Stop ripping verses out of context and stop taking hyperbolic statements literally! Or you get stuff like Judas went and hung himself... Go,therefore, and do likewise. The Bible doesn't actually recommend suicide. Just a joke showing why you don't rip things of of context.If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!
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