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Transhumanism, AI, the Supernatural, and the Bible

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  • Transhumanism, AI, the Supernatural, and the Bible

    Transhumanism, the Singularity, and AI in relation to Christian theology. Are these bad things, good things, or neither in relation to theology? Where does the line cross between the acceptable advancement of technology and where it's unacceptable? The thread is open to any discussion about these topics.

    Here's one for starters (for the Christians who believe in demons): If demons can posses or manipulate biological forms to behave certain ways, whether human or animal, could they somehow manipulate a complex system like AI? Where does the line cross between a biological form and an AI in this regard?
    "What am I doing here?" -- Joe Biden 2021

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    So to clarify here, what do you mean by demons utilizing AI? And how would that be different from demons already interacting with technology that exists (like taking down servers hosting Christian websites?)
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      So to clarify here, what do you mean by demons utilizing AI? And how would that be different from demons already interacting with technology that exists (like taking down servers hosting Christian websites?)
      That's a good question. Here's the definition of AI:

      Artificial intelligence (AI) is the ability of a computer or a robot controlled by a computer to do tasks that are usually done by humans because they require human intelligence and discernment.

      I'm not sure a website qualifies since it requires a human to interact with the site (i.e. click a link to the site, click buttons, etc). Normally we view AI (at least in movies and media) as functioning as an intelligent entity, possibly an autonomous robot or drone, at least that's where the philosophical discussions lead to and why a lot of folks are disturbed and troubled about the future of AI technology. The question is, could a demon take over and control such an entity, like they can a human being?
      Last edited by seanD; 11-21-2021, 06:45 PM.
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      • #4
        Please may I fix the thread title?



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        • #5
          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
          Please may I fix the thread title?

          I took the liberty
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #6
            Thanks!


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            • #7
              It's certainly possible. Job 1 suggests that Satan was allowed to send a wind at one point, which might imply a limited power to control the weather. And we know demons can control animals (the herd of pigs) So it's not a stretch to say it could happen in the case you describe.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                Please may I fix the thread title?

                I grant mods permission to correct any of my thread titles at anytime. I have a tendency to carelessly push the post button without checking and then noticing the error too late.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seanD View Post
                  Transhumanism, the Singularity, and AI in relation to Christian theology. Are these bad things, good things, or neither in relation to theology? Where does the line cross between the acceptable advancement of technology and where it's unacceptable? The thread is open to any discussion about these topics.

                  Here's one for starters (for the Christians who believe in demons): If demons can posses or manipulate biological forms to behave certain ways, whether human or animal, could they somehow manipulate a complex system like AI? Where does the line cross between a biological form and an AI in this regard?
                  I'm finding Nancy Pearcey's Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality to be an interesting read with content relevant to your questions. In a nutshell, a Christian worldview embraces a concept of identity and humanity that is (at least in this life), firmly linked to the reality of our biology. A secular worldview blends elements of Gnosticism and Postmodernism to arrive at something she calls the "fact/value split". Essentially, empirically observable facts are on the bottom story of the house and values, morals, and religion are on the upper story. The lowers story is public and objective (truth), while the upper story is private and subjective. In the secular conception, these two stories of the house DO NOT impact each other. (Side note: the two-story house model harkens back to Francis Shaeffer.)

                  The relevant part of what you're asking about is: the current secular justification of transgenderism, homosexual practice, abortion, and even infanticide. Essentially, the concept of personhood is separated from the concept of humanity, and one's gender or sexual preferences are said to be entirely independent of our biology. Transhumanism is simply extending this dualistic worldview even further. A friend thinks that transhumanism cannot succeed as a concept because of how God created us. I'm less sure of that, but I am highly suspicious of any attempt to so radically divorce our existence from the way we were created.
                  "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

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                  • #10
                    Modern technology, like any human advancement throughout history, can be used for good or for evil, and to that end, I do not see any theological reason to oppose the development of artificial intelligence.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post

                      I grant mods permission to correct any of my thread titles at anytime. I have a tendency to carelessly push the post button without checking and then noticing the error too late.
                      Unforgiveable!

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