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This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I just wish I was half the man he thought I was.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
That's true. On a pastoral level, with a DUI, it would be good for the pastor or an elder to ask if they may be struggling with a drinking problem, but it's not something it would be appropriate to drag someone to the front of the congregation over.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
It was actually some great financial strategies which I employed without becoming an A L Williams customer - but the fact is that I got "hit on" a lot to represent this product or program or that one simply because I had a large "contact base" over which I had influence.
I'm fundamentally opposed to getting gain in such a manner. Wife feels the same way - no Tupperware or Mary Kay or anything like that.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThere's a difference between "committed a crime" and living a criminal lifestyle or committing the same acts over and over.
One act that can fall into both would be DUI/DWIs. They can be a single act or something someone gets in trouble for multiple times.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Sorry, no. I must have missed or been too young for AL Williams.
I'm fundamentally opposed to getting gain in such a manner. Wife feels the same way - no Tupperware or Mary Kay or anything like that.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, remember when there was the A L Williams Insurance thing? "Buy Term and Invest the Rest" - I was HOUNDED by people who wanted me to sign up to be a sales person, but I adamantly rejected that because my "clients" would almost always be church members. They made it look really appealing at the time.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think the key here is publicly denying Christian values. I imagine that week would do the same thing for somebody who was in a church and committed a crime that was all over the news, or who got involved with the Ku Klux Klan. Politicians come to mind here because they are public figures, and by definition have more eyes on them.
One act that can fall into both would be DUI/DWIs. They can be a single act or something someone gets in trouble for multiple times.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Having gone to a men's breakfast and subjected to a sales pitch by a business owner, I get your point. I suppose it's how aggressively he's selling to church members or advertising his membership. If he's low key about it and providing honest service, I guess it would be ok. Trying to exploit the church to get business or he provides poor service would be a big problem. I suppose the church could have legal liability if it appears the church is endorsing his business.
Personal note one: I avoid a business that claims it's Christian owned. I've been messed up too many times by a so-called Christian business.
Personal note two: I watch the show American Greed and one episode was about an investment con man who defrauded churches and church members. The sad part was the church leadership would give him a platform for his sales pitch. No matter how good the business is, I think it's out of bounds for a church to actively promote a business.
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