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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    Nothing like unconditional love and acceptance is there? I think that's one reason got created animals - so we could have pets.
    Thank got

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  • Thoughtful Monk
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    I just wish I was half the man he thought I was.
    Nothing like unconditional love and acceptance is there? I think that's one reason got created animals - so we could have pets.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Dogs are like little kids. What they can get away with doesn't count.
    I just wish I was half the man he thought I was.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Jake and I have an agreement - what I don't know can't hurt him.
    Dogs are like little kids. What they can get away with doesn't count.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I'm now starting to understand why you never let Jake sell Amay.
    Jake and I have an agreement - what I don't know can't hurt him.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    They tried - wife always declined. She'd buy, but not sell.
    I'm now starting to understand why you never let Jake sell Amay.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

    That's true. On a pastoral level, with a DUI, it would be good for the pastor or an elder to ask if they may be struggling with a drinking problem, but it's not something it would be appropriate to drag someone to the front of the congregation over.
    This is something I always stress in my role as "intentional interim pastoral advisor" - yeah, that's a thing - that the committee calling a pastor do a sufficient background check, including asking if there would be anything that could surface as an embarrassment in the future. While we can always be forgiving when there's an "ooooops", it's harder to be forgiving when there's intentional misleading.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Avon never called?
    They tried - wife always declined. She'd buy, but not sell.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    It was actually some great financial strategies which I employed without becoming an A L Williams customer - but the fact is that I got "hit on" a lot to represent this product or program or that one simply because I had a large "contact base" over which I had influence.

    I'm fundamentally opposed to getting gain in such a manner. Wife feels the same way - no Tupperware or Mary Kay or anything like that.
    Avon never called?

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    There's a difference between "committed a crime" and living a criminal lifestyle or committing the same acts over and over.

    One act that can fall into both would be DUI/DWIs. They can be a single act or something someone gets in trouble for multiple times.
    That's true. On a pastoral level, with a DUI, it would be good for the pastor or an elder to ask if they may be struggling with a drinking problem, but it's not something it would be appropriate to drag someone to the front of the congregation over.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    Sorry, no. I must have missed or been too young for AL Williams.
    It was actually some great financial strategies which I employed without becoming an A L Williams customer - but the fact is that I got "hit on" a lot to represent this product or program or that one simply because I had a large "contact base" over which I had influence.

    I'm fundamentally opposed to getting gain in such a manner. Wife feels the same way - no Tupperware or Mary Kay or anything like that.

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  • Thoughtful Monk
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, remember when there was the A L Williams Insurance thing? "Buy Term and Invest the Rest" - I was HOUNDED by people who wanted me to sign up to be a sales person, but I adamantly rejected that because my "clients" would almost always be church members. They made it look really appealing at the time.
    Sorry, no. I must have missed or been too young for AL Williams.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I think the key here is publicly denying Christian values. I imagine that week would do the same thing for somebody who was in a church and committed a crime that was all over the news, or who got involved with the Ku Klux Klan. Politicians come to mind here because they are public figures, and by definition have more eyes on them.
    There's a difference between "committed a crime" and living a criminal lifestyle or committing the same acts over and over.

    One act that can fall into both would be DUI/DWIs. They can be a single act or something someone gets in trouble for multiple times.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    Having gone to a men's breakfast and subjected to a sales pitch by a business owner, I get your point. I suppose it's how aggressively he's selling to church members or advertising his membership. If he's low key about it and providing honest service, I guess it would be ok. Trying to exploit the church to get business or he provides poor service would be a big problem. I suppose the church could have legal liability if it appears the church is endorsing his business.

    Personal note one: I avoid a business that claims it's Christian owned. I've been messed up too many times by a so-called Christian business.

    Personal note two: I watch the show American Greed and one episode was about an investment con man who defrauded churches and church members. The sad part was the church leadership would give him a platform for his sales pitch. No matter how good the business is, I think it's out of bounds for a church to actively promote a business.
    Yeah, remember when there was the A L Williams Insurance thing? "Buy Term and Invest the Rest" - I was HOUNDED by people who wanted me to sign up to be a sales person, but I adamantly rejected that because my "clients" would almost always be church members. They made it look really appealing at the time.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    What about businessmen who see it as an opportunity to network and establish contacts?
    As long as they're not disrupting the fellowship, there's a chance they might get saved.

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