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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    I can't believe nobody mentioned the obvious: Pokémonk

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    • #32
      There are multiple examples of Paul calling for church discipline, and he addresses both conduct and belief. He mentioned Hymenaeus and Philetus, who taught that Jesus's second coming had already happened (2 Timothy 2:17. That's not just your garden variety dispute over (insert secondary doctrine here), that's a pretty big deal. On the conduct side, there's also the incest guy in 1 Corinthians 5.

      If we're talking about politicians, I think Paul would be just as concerned with those politicians who talk a good game about being pro-family while having a mistress on the side. To bring this in the real world, I can think of one high level conservative politician who has been attested by many sources to be active in homosexual behavior, but nobody seems willing to call him on it or even question it.
      Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-21-2021, 12:36 PM.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #33
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        There are multiple examples of Paul calling for church discipline, and he addresses both conduct and belief. He mentioned Hymenaeus and Philetus, who taught that Jesus's second coming had already happened (2 Timothy 2:17. That's not just your garden variety dispute over (insert secondary doctrine here), that's a pretty big deal. On the conduct side, there's also the incest guy in 1 Corinthians 5.

        If we're talking about politicians, I think Paul would be just as concerned with those politicians who talk a good game about being pro-family while having a mistress on the side. To bring this in the real world, I can think of one high level conservative politician who has been attested by many sources to be active in homosexual behavior, but nobody seems willing to call him on it or even question it.
        Unfortunately, that's not a big deal anymore. Rick Grenell is openly gay, conservative, and "Christian."

        Is this "high level conservative politician" in a heterosexual marriage? There would be reasons to "call him on" infidelity, but not on gay behavior per se.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

          Unfortunately, that's not a big deal anymore. Rick Grenell is openly gay, conservative, and "Christian."

          Is this "high level conservative politician" in a heterosexual marriage? There would be reasons to "call him on" infidelity, but not on gay behavior per se.
          And is he one who pushes "Family Values"?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

            Unfortunately, that's not a big deal anymore. Rick Grenell is openly gay, conservative, and "Christian."

            Is this "high level conservative politician" in a heterosexual marriage? There would be reasons to "call him on" infidelity, but not on gay behavior per se.
            No. I was told by somebody who would be in a position to know that there is something to the rumors; otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.

            But, yeah, it probably doesn't matter. Conservatives, even Christians, went gaga for Milo Yiacantspellhislastname (before he repented).
            Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-24-2021, 06:27 PM.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #36
              Back somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #37
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                Back somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.
                Assuming, of course, that the Church in question was pro-life - since so many "churches" these days are pretty much "anything goes".
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                  No. I was told by somebody who would be in a position to know that there is something to the rumors; otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.

                  But, yeah, it probably doesn't matter. Conservatives, even Christians, went gaga for Milo Yiacantspellhislastname (before he repented).
                  FTR, I have definite problems with Guy Benson and Rick Grenell describing themselves as "Christians." Both are in homosexual marriages.

                  I find both of them likable, and I especially appreciate Rick's role in the Trump administration. But... "Christians"?
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                  Beige Federalist.

                  Nationalist Christian.

                  "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                  Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                  Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                  Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                  Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                  Justice for Matthew Perna!

                  Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    Back somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.
                    Pfft. You are obviously wrong here since that just makes too much sense.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                      FTR, I have definite problems with Guy Benson and Rick Grenell describing themselves as "Christians." Both are in homosexual marriages.

                      I find both of them likable, and I especially appreciate Rick's role in the Trump administration. But... "Christians"?
                      Yeah, being "married" to a same sex person is over the line from being "tempted" to be gay.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Yeah, being "married" to a same sex person is over the line from being "tempted" to be gay.
                        That's pretty much is surrendered to it and became a collaborator.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                          That's pretty much is surrendered to it and became a collaborator.
                          Yup, a full blown endorsement - a declaration.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            Assuming, of course, that the Church in question was pro-life - since so many "churches" these days are pretty much "anything goes".
                            I'm assuming that most any church that even bothers with church discipline probably would be.
                            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              Back somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.
                              I agree that public church discipline should be the last resort - especially if it means casting the person out of fellowship. You've got to leave home for people to grow into a more mature position as God leads them.

                              However, I think a politician exploiting a church for his political gain should be cast out.
                              "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                              "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                                I agree that public church discipline should be the last resort - especially if it means casting the person out of fellowship. You've got to leave home for people to grow into a more mature position as God leads them.

                                However, I think a politician exploiting a church for his political gain should be cast out.
                                What about businessmen who see it as an opportunity to network and establish contacts?

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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