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There are multiple examples of Paul calling for church discipline, and he addresses both conduct and belief. He mentioned Hymenaeus and Philetus, who taught that Jesus's second coming had already happened (2 Timothy 2:17. That's not just your garden variety dispute over (insert secondary doctrine here), that's a pretty big deal. On the conduct side, there's also the incest guy in 1 Corinthians 5.
If we're talking about politicians, I think Paul would be just as concerned with those politicians who talk a good game about being pro-family while having a mistress on the side. To bring this in the real world, I can think of one high level conservative politician who has been attested by many sources to be active in homosexual behavior, but nobody seems willing to call him on it or even question it.Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-21-2021, 12:36 PM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThere are multiple examples of Paul calling for church discipline, and he addresses both conduct and belief. He mentioned Hymenaeus and Philetus, who taught that Jesus's second coming had already happened (2 Timothy 2:17. That's not just your garden variety dispute over (insert secondary doctrine here), that's a pretty big deal. On the conduct side, there's also the incest guy in 1 Corinthians 5.
If we're talking about politicians, I think Paul would be just as concerned with those politicians who talk a good game about being pro-family while having a mistress on the side. To bring this in the real world, I can think of one high level conservative politician who has been attested by many sources to be active in homosexual behavior, but nobody seems willing to call him on it or even question it.
Is this "high level conservative politician" in a heterosexual marriage? There would be reasons to "call him on" infidelity, but not on gay behavior per se.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Unfortunately, that's not a big deal anymore. Rick Grenell is openly gay, conservative, and "Christian."
Is this "high level conservative politician" in a heterosexual marriage? There would be reasons to "call him on" infidelity, but not on gay behavior per se.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Unfortunately, that's not a big deal anymore. Rick Grenell is openly gay, conservative, and "Christian."
Is this "high level conservative politician" in a heterosexual marriage? There would be reasons to "call him on" infidelity, but not on gay behavior per se.
But, yeah, it probably doesn't matter. Conservatives, even Christians, went gaga for Milo Yiacantspellhislastname (before he repented).Last edited by KingsGambit; 11-24-2021, 06:27 PM."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Back somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostBack somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
No. I was told by somebody who would be in a position to know that there is something to the rumors; otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.
But, yeah, it probably doesn't matter. Conservatives, even Christians, went gaga for Milo Yiacantspellhislastname (before he repented).
I find both of them likable, and I especially appreciate Rick's role in the Trump administration. But... "Christians"?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostBack somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
FTR, I have definite problems with Guy Benson and Rick Grenell describing themselves as "Christians." Both are in homosexual marriages.
I find both of them likable, and I especially appreciate Rick's role in the Trump administration. But... "Christians"?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Yeah, being "married" to a same sex person is over the line from being "tempted" to be gay.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
That's pretty much is surrendered to it and became a collaborator.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Assuming, of course, that the Church in question was pro-life - since so many "churches" these days are pretty much "anything goes"."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostBack somewhat on topic, I think it would be reasonable to use church discipline against a politician voting to legalize abortion, but only because abortion is such an extreme case (legalized murder). I don't want to open up the floodgates to every other issue. Christians can reasonably disagree on issues like war, the death penalty, affirmative action, no matter what certain people say. Church discipline should be a last resort.
However, I think a politician exploiting a church for his political gain should be cast out."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I agree that public church discipline should be the last resort - especially if it means casting the person out of fellowship. You've got to leave home for people to grow into a more mature position as God leads them.
However, I think a politician exploiting a church for his political gain should be cast out.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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