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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I preach and teach on Matt 18:15-17 --- that's the process. I'm pretty firm on that.
    As I said, they've done the first two already. Now they want to bring the matter before the whole church. What happens now?
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

    "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

      As I said, they've done the first two already. Now they want to bring the matter before the whole church. What happens now?
      Ah, sorry - I've been focused on this Rittenhouse trial... lemme go back and read back up.

      As always, TM, I enjoy interacting with you, and don't want to sell you short.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Ah, sorry - I've been focused on this Rittenhouse trial... lemme go back and read back up.

        As always, TM, I enjoy interacting with you, and don't want to sell you short.
        I always enjoy interacting with you.

        I do sometimes wish others would chime in. I find the more perspectives, the better. Sometimes I feel like it's just you and me talking. Maybe we should have our own talk show. How does the "Cow-Monk Show" or "The Thoughtful Poke Hour" sound to you?
        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

          I always enjoy interacting with you.

          I do sometimes wish others would chime in. I find the more perspectives, the better. Sometimes I feel like it's just you and me talking. Maybe we should have our own talk show. How does the "Cow-Monk Show" or "The Thoughtful Poke Hour" sound to you?
          I would advice against Monk-Poke if it were to ever come up.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
            The subject of Cow Poke's post was priests denying the Eucharist to pro-abortion Catholics. Let's pick this up in a non-Catholic setting.

            Your church has a statement that abortion is morally wrong. One of your members in a legislator, mayor, governor, etc. (i.e. a person with political power) who consistently votes pro-abortion. Some members of your church have come to you and said this is causing a scandal because he is advocating a position different from our church. To simplify the discussion, the members have already followed Matthew 18 and gone individually and as a group to the politician and there has been no change. They are now bringing the matter to the church.

            What should the church do in this case?

            Does it make a difference of the politician is also in a church leadership position?
            That seems to me to be a case of "sewing discord among the Church", and I would have to ask him to cease and desist or leave. Seriously.

            However, I don't see how such a person could ever hang around, as our church is very much involved in pro-life causes, even supporting a Pregnancy Center and related causes.
            I think the problem would solve itself, because such a person wouldn't want to be identified with a church that was so clearly pro-life.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              That seems to me to be a case of "sewing discord among the Church", and I would have to ask him to cease and desist or leave. Seriously.

              However, I don't see how such a person could ever hang around, as our church is very much involved in pro-life causes, even supporting a Pregnancy Center and related causes.
              I think the problem would solve itself, because such a person wouldn't want to be identified with a church that was so clearly pro-life.
              This probably would be a question that would arise in a bigger church

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #22
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                This probably would be a question that would arise in a bigger church
                And the "bigger churches" tend to be less conservative and it's easier to get "lost" in them. That's why a lot of politicians (in the old days) would suddenly be active in a local church so they could put on their campaign material, "choir member of First United Methodist" or whatever.... but in the case of Democrats, they tend to want to disassociate themselves with churches and religion.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  And the "bigger churches" tend to be less conservative and it's easier to get "lost" in them. That's why a lot of politicians (in the old days) would suddenly be active in a local church so they could put on their campaign material, "choir member of First United Methodist" or whatever.... but in the case of Democrats, they tend to want to disassociate themselves with churches and religion.
                  I believe I've mentioned before how the father of two of my friends suddenly became an active member in our church a couple of months before announcing he was running for county commission, and disappeared after he lost.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    I believe I've mentioned before how the father of two of my friends suddenly became an active member in our church a couple of months before announcing he was running for county commission, and disappeared after he lost.
                    Yeah, I was in a big Church in Tyler, TX - and we had a LOT of that.

                    The other thing was "Church League Baseball". You had to be an active member to play on the team, so we would suddenly see lots of young men being "active members" during baseball season.

                    One interesting side note on that, however....

                    One year, we had a coach who decided that practice was bogus, so he insisted that we would focus on "winning men to Jesus", and not on "winning games".
                    (I shared this with the Mormons)
                    We didn't have quite the swell of membership during baseball season, but the phenomenal thing that happened was that we won 12 Men to Jesus --- AND won every game we played!
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      This probably would be a question that would arise in a bigger church
                      You're probably are right. I think how this gets handled would depend on how much the larger church believes what they stand for. The more they care, the more likely they would do something.

                      Yup, this is a megachurch, multilocation church, and denominational issue where membership requirements and expectations are differently applied depending on the church/location. So in a conservative denomination, that's how a liberal faction can appear. I guess it doesn't happen in liberal churches because the conservatives don't join or vote with their feet.
                      Last edited by Thoughtful Monk; 11-20-2021, 01:02 PM. Reason: Changed probably to are
                      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        I believe I've mentioned before how the father of two of my friends suddenly became an active member in our church a couple of months before announcing he was running for county commission, and disappeared after he lost.
                        Before he was president, Obama was a member and apparently active in Jeremiah Wright's church. Of course when it became convenient, Obama had no problems throwing Wright under the bus.

                        It's sad to see a church be used.
                        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          And the "bigger churches" tend to be less conservative and it's easier to get "lost" in them. That's why a lot of politicians (in the old days) would suddenly be active in a local church so they could put on their campaign material, "choir member of First United Methodist" or whatever.... but in the case of Democrats, they tend to want to disassociate themselves with churches and religion.
                          It a sign of the change in our society that being a church member has gone from being a positive to a negative.
                          "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                          "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                            It a sign of the change in our society that being a church member has gone from being a positive to a negative.
                            I think it's also kind of the wheat and chaff being separated --- those who "joined the church" to enhance their own political or financial futures no longer see that as useful as it once was.

                            (I say financial futures, because many a lawyer or accountant or whoever would join the bigger churches to increase their access to clientele)

                            So, in a way, it's kind of a purge.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              I would advice against Monk-Poke if it were to ever come up.
                              I can't believe nobody mentioned the obvious: Pokémonk

                              You're welcome.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                                I can't believe nobody mentioned the obvious: Pokémonk

                                You're welcome.
                                Just substitute "Sparko" for "Sternn"





                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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