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Astrodome Chaos and Travis Scott's Satanic Concert?
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Here is an article with everything they know about the concert and the tragedy so far. I didn't see any curse words in the article but it does link to some videos with cussing and the F-bomb.
https://www.vulture.com/2021/11/astr...=pocket-newtab
Seems like this rapper has a history of people getting injured at his concerts and even encouraging someone to jump at one. (excerpt from the same article linked above)
Has anything dangerous ever happened at Scott’s other shows?
Repeatedly so. In 2017, Scott encouraged a concertgoer at his Terminal 5 show in New York City to jump off a second-floor balcony, remarking, “I see you, but are you gonna do it?” At that same show, fan Kyle Green was paralyzed after being pushed off a third-floor balcony, Rolling Stone reported. In 2019, during the second Astroworld festival, hundreds of people rushed metal barricades to break into the event. Three people were hospitalized “with minor leg injuries from trampling,” Rolling Stone noted. The Police Department first described the event as insufficiently staffed, tweeting that “promoters did not plan sufficiently for the large crowds,” according to the local ABC affiliate. The Police Department deleted that tweet. It then posted a far rosier depiction of events, claiming it was “successfully working together” with organizers.
In 2015, Chicago police arrested Scott at Lollapalooza after he allegedly urged fans to climb over security barriers and come onstage, Rolling Stone reported. Scott pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct in 2018 for an incident at a Rogers, Arkansas, concert the year prior; local police said Scott “encouraged people to rush the stage” (per Billboard). Hip-Hop Lately also reported that Scott has deleted a tweet from May in which he seemed to support sneaking “wild” fans into his shows.
Live Nation, which produced Astroworld, has also been subjected to scrutiny for alleged safety problems, the Houston Chronicle reported. Over a three-year period from 2016 to 2019, Live Nation Entertainment and Live Nation Worldwide were “cited for ten OSHA violations and was fined for serious violations, including problems with a ladder, rope, and scaffolding that caused a fall at a theater in Connecticut in 2016,” the newspaper stated. Officials found “minor violations” at an event venue in Mountain View, California, in 2017, and while conducting an inspection in Washington State in 2019. A non-union staff member was taken to the hospital for cuts early September 27, 2018, “when he was struck by a six-foot steel post that fell in a staging area at another California event.” The promoter was handed a $10,000 fine for that incident, per the newspaper.Live Nation faced a civil suit after a concert attendee alleged she fractured her leg while in a packed crowd at an outdoor Gwen Stefani show in summer 2016.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostWhat came to my mind is Travis's portrayal seems similar to the TV show Supernatural portrayal of "God". As one YouTube video puts it, the portrayal of "God" is a god that is "cruel, cruel, and capricious." Both take the Christian (and theistic religions in general) portrayal of God as powerful and benevolent and changes that image. This does seem to be a change in how God is viewed over my lifetime. When I was younger, people seemed to be either having the Christian portrayal or having God is dead; God doesn't exist. Since there is Satan in this somewhere, I'm thinking Genesis 3:1 and the serpent saying "Has God said? (paraphrased)" Satan maybe trying to get rid of Christians in the world by changing how God is viewed and saying how can you believe and follow such a god?
The series really would not have been a totally terrible take on Judeo-Christian concepts if they'd stopped at the end of Season 5, which pretty clearly was the original plan.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFor several years Hollyweird has presented God and/or angels as power mad homicidal maniacs (Legion, Constantine, Supernatural ...) and Satan as humorous and maybe a little mischievous, but ultimately misunderstood and not all that bad of a guy (Little Nicky, Lucifer...).
Says a lot about Hollyweird
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostI don't know about the concert so I'm passing over that. I'm going to focus on the god imagery being discussed.
I get the reason Travis pick god imagery. Christianity is very influential still in the US and most people will easily pick up on the images. That he twists them seems to related to a destroying their sacredness. of them. Sort of like someone using a rainbow colored stole to show support for the LGBTQ+ community. While he means well, it changes how the stole is viewed and eventually takes away it's sacredness.
What came to my mind is Travis's portrayal seems similar to the TV show Supernatural portrayal of "God". As one YouTube video puts it, the portrayal of "God" is a god that is "cruel, cruel, and capricious." Both take the Christian (and theistic religions in general) portrayal of God as powerful and benevolent and changes that image. This does seem to be a change in how God is viewed over my lifetime. When I was younger, people seemed to be either having the Christian portrayal or having God is dead; God doesn't exist. Since there is Satan in this somewhere, I'm thinking Genesis 3:1 and the serpent saying "Has God said? (paraphrased)" Satan maybe trying to get rid of Christians in the world by changing how God is viewed and saying how can you believe and follow such a god?
Says a lot about Hollyweird
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Since truth is now dependent on what someone thinks it is, we'll never discern what the truth of what happened is.
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And I note that there are all kinds of internet conspiracy theories popping up, so it will be even more difficult to discern the truth.
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I don't know about the concert so I'm passing over that. I'm going to focus on the god imagery being discussed.
I get the reason Travis pick god imagery. Christianity is very influential still in the US and most people will easily pick up on the images. That he twists them seems to related to a destroying their sacredness. of them. Sort of like someone using a rainbow colored stole to show support for the LGBTQ+ community. While he means well, it changes how the stole is viewed and eventually takes away it's sacredness.
What came to my mind is Travis's portrayal seems similar to the TV show Supernatural portrayal of "God". As one YouTube video puts it, the portrayal of "God" is a god that is "cruel, cruel, and capricious." Both take the Christian (and theistic religions in general) portrayal of God as powerful and benevolent and changes that image. This does seem to be a change in how God is viewed over my lifetime. When I was younger, people seemed to be either having the Christian portrayal or having God is dead; God doesn't exist. Since there is Satan in this somewhere, I'm thinking Genesis 3:1 and the serpent saying "Has God said? (paraphrased)" Satan maybe trying to get rid of Christians in the world by changing how God is viewed and saying how can you believe and follow such a god?
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Originally posted by Faber View PostI saw some video footage where hundreds of people, maybe over a thousand, barged through the gates to get into a concert while the guards, some on horseback, were totally unable to stop the crowd. Was that the same concert?
Two people told me that when Scott saw people apparently dead on the ground, he yelled "see you on the other side". I can't confirm that with actual video, but a lot of the video I have seen is so laced with the F bomb I can't even post it.
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Interesting that Kanye was his mentor, especially seeing the direction West is going.
I never heard of Scott, but then again, I think rap is just stupid.
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I saw some video footage where hundreds of people, maybe over a thousand, barged through the gates to get into a concert while the guards, some on horseback, were totally unable to stop the crowd. Was that the same concert?
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Astrodome Chaos and Travis Scott's Satanic Concert?
I put this in a Christian only area, because I don't want it to go down the tubes like so many other threads about the state of our world from a religious perspective.
Before last week, I never heard of Travis Scott.
In the last couple days, I have talked to at least a half dozen young people who attended the concert, and very emphatically tell me it was a Satanic event.
Anybody know anything more about this?
Sadly, MOST of the videos and articles I have found on this are so full of curse words I can't post them.
Kylie Jenner is a Golden Angel in Travis Scott's 'Stop Trying to be God' Music Video
Travis Scott has officially unveiled a cinematic music video for "STOP TRYING TO BE GOD," and it's filled with Christian symbolism with a dark twist.
The clip shows negative aspects of religion, as he (acting as God) terrorizes a town with fire and lasers--a tribute to someone who ruins others by thinking too highly of himself. A modern day baptism and Travis Scott herding demonic sheep are also weaved throughout the visual.
Kylie Jenner makes an appearance as a golden angel comforting Travis as their house goes up in flames. At the end, Scott recreates a manger scene, with his lady Jenner in a farm holding a lamb, an animal often used to refer to Jesus.
I have seen several videos where people on stage are yelling to Scott that there are DEAD PEOPLE, and he keeps performing.
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