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  • #46
    I don't see a specific identification of what ecumenical council these teachings contradict.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by themuzicman View Post
      I don't see a specific identification of what ecumenical council these teachings contradict.
      The same one that denounced that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that God was an exalted human, and that he was polygamous and has spirit babies with his spirit wife.
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
        Jesse Duplantis – Claims to have seen the risen Lord

        I have met and/or spoken to Jesus
        "Jesus was taller than I thought He would be. I would guess Him to be from five feet eleven inches to six feet one inch. I thought at first His hair was white, but when He turned His head, I caught a glance and saw that it was light brown. When He looked at me, the glory of God was emanating from Him. I said, "Jesus!" He said simply, "Do you like this place?" I said, "Yes, Sir"


        Jesse Duplantis (Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind. p.89)


        Retrieved from http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.ph...on=aquote&id=9
        Is there anything wrong with meeting Jesus? John did it in Revelation. And if you had watched the whole thing you would have also noticed that when he tried to look at the Father's face that he could not.
        There are four types of giving in the Bible:

        1. Tithe – Motivation is Obedience.

        2. First Fruits – Motivation is Generosity.

        3. Alms Giving – Motivation is Compassion.

        4. Seed Giving – Motivation is Faith and Reward.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Mr.Kott View Post
          Is there anything wrong with meeting Jesus? John did it in Revelation.
          Well, other than the fact that Paul was the last one to see Jesus according to him, and the fact that Duplantis is a complete nut?
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            Well, other than the fact that Paul was the last one to see Jesus according to him, and the fact that Duplantis is a complete nut?
            I know, he's crazy isn't he? He's one of those "faith" guys... you know, he reads something like Hebrews 11:6 that says without faith it is impossible to please God -- and he actually believes it! Yup, I can't understand how he actually reads and believes what Jesus says.... I guess it's heretical to believe Jesus when He said "Owe no man anything" and his Ministry has been debt free since [I think] 1982. I wonder why we do not see him on TV crying for money all the time like a lot of other preachers? Hmmmmm.....
            There are four types of giving in the Bible:

            1. Tithe – Motivation is Obedience.

            2. First Fruits – Motivation is Generosity.

            3. Alms Giving – Motivation is Compassion.

            4. Seed Giving – Motivation is Faith and Reward.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Mr.Kott View Post
              I know, he's crazy isn't he?
              Oh, without a doubt...

              Source: HEAVEN - Close Encounters of the God Kind by Jesse Duplantis


              Now it's an amazing thing the way God knows how to prove things. As the car flipped over, and the steering wheel broke in my hand, up out of that steering wheel, I saw popcorn coming! Then, Bam! That popcorn started hitting me! I said, "Ohhh, look at this popcorn," just flipping.
              When I came to a stop, I tried to get out of the vehicle as best I could, but I was jammed inside it, hanging upside-down. Thank God there wasn't a fire during that wreck. I could have been burned alive!
              People stopped to help.
              The car had to be cut open with a welding torch before I could be pulled free from it. Then I was put into an ambulance and rushed to the hospital.
              I kept hollering, "There was popcorn in there! Popcorn!" I said, "Listen! Somebody grabbed me! Somebody's hand was on my shoulder! I would have died otherwise. I was flying." They all thought I was in shock. They gave me four aspirins at the hospital.

              © Copyright Original Source



              “I’ve never had the Lord say, ‘Jesse, I think that car is a little bit too nice.’ I’ve had vehicles and the Lord said, ‘Would you please go park that at your house. Don’t put that in front of my house. I don’t want people to think that I’m a poor God.’”
              (Jesse Duplantis, “When Will We Yield To The Anointing of Wealth II,” April 10, 2005)

              “People don’t like being commanded to do something. Except God! God says, ‘Command ye Me!’…That’s not arrogance! That’s understanding who you are! Quit judging yourself like you’re merely human! You’re more than human!”
              (Jesse Duplantis, “Spring Praise-A-Thon,” TBN, April 6, 2005)

              ‘But Jesus was poor!’ Someone argued. You are living in a dream world if you believe that. Have you ever been to a casino? Have you ever seen a gambler say, ‘I’m putting all my money on those torn up, old clothes?’ They don’t gamble for rags. Yet, the Bible says that the Roman soldiers gambled for Jesus clothes. They must have looked pretty good. He also had a full time staff of 12 and a part time staff of 70.”
              (Jesse Duplantis, “Prosperity is not About Possessions, It’s About Priorities,” Voice Of The Covenant Magazine, February 2004)



              He's one of those "faith" guys...
              No, he's one of those "blab it and grab it" guys.


              “If I give $1,000 dollars I deserve to get back $100,000 because I am just, that’s not greed!”
              (Jesse Duplantis, December 19, 2003 TBN, “The just shall live by faith.”)


              “Cash is king!. The hundered fold works! If I give $50 you mean God will give me $5,000? Yes!. If you give $1,000 in the offering this morning, will God give you $100,000 by tomorrow? Yes!”
              (Jesse Duplantis, January 24, 2004, The Church Channel, “The Choke Hold”)


              you know, he reads something like Hebrews 11:6 that says without faith it is impossible to please God -- and he actually believes it!
              Pleasing God has nothing to do with telling God you want a jet. It doesn't prey on the misguided faith of weak minded Christians who send them money in desperate hopes of a "harvest" of cash.

              Yup, I can't understand how he actually reads and believes what Jesus says....
              I can't believe he reads what Jesus said and STILL behaves like a money grubbing charlatan.

              I guess it's heretical to believe Jesus when He said "Owe no man anything" and his Ministry has been debt free since [I think] 1982.
              His ministry is debt free on the backs of dupes like you who think that if I just send in my $77.77 so that Jesse can have another car to park in front of his house, I will have a 40 fold return, and it never comes.

              I wonder why we do not see him on TV crying for money all the time like a lot of other preachers? Hmmmmm.....
              People like him are as old as the Church, and Paul warned Timothy about people just like him:

              3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,
              4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
              5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
              6 But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment.
              7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either.
              8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content.
              9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
              10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
              11 But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.
              Last edited by Bill the Cat; 01-20-2016, 07:31 AM.
              That's what
              - She

              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

                People like him are as old as the Church, and Paul warned Timothy about people just like him:

                3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness,
                4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
                .
                Jesse is off on prosperity doctrine but before you pull the trigger on that verse you might want to consider if Paul and the early church would have considered errancy as agreeing with "sound words" and "conforming to godliness". Jesse has a higher view of scripture than many on TWEB. Having heard him on other issues I have confidence he has a love for the Lord and fellowships frequently. I don't think you can even begin to make a case that the early church and Paul would have considered large swatches of the OT including prophets to be errant , made up or mythological as sound words

                The early church would most likely include those people under Timothy's verse and call them a nut. Televangelists make easy targets to go off on (almost ass if none are genuine Christians) but Timothy wasn't talking about them but a whole wide range of people and doctrines outside of good first century doctrine.
                Last edited by Mikeenders; 02-03-2016, 03:02 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Mikeenders View Post
                  Jesse has a higher view of scripture than many on TWEB...
                  Maybe the atheists, but that's about it.
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    Maybe the atheists, but that's about it.

                    Not even close. He accepts just about every verse of the Old testament and the New testament. You can't say that of all theists here. Not by a long shot.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      Jesse Duplantis – Claims to have seen the risen Lord

                      I have met and/or spoken to Jesus
                      There's nothing wrong with that per se.

                      "Jesus was taller than I thought He would be. I would guess Him to be from five feet eleven inches to six feet one inch. I thought at first His hair was white, but when He turned His head, I caught a glance and saw that it was light brown. When He looked at me, the glory of God was emanating from Him. I said, "Jesus!" He said simply, "Do you like this place?" I said, "Yes, Sir"


                      Jesse Duplantis (Heaven: Close Encounters of the God Kind. p.89)


                      Retrieved from http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.ph...on=aquote&id=9
                      There's also nothing necessarily wrong with that.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        Benny Hinn - Deification

                        "Christians are "Little Messiah's and "little gods" on the earth. Thus [Encouraging the audience]...say "I am a God-man....This spirit-man within me is a God-man..." say "I'm born of heaven-a God-man. I'm a God man. I am a sample of Jesus. I'm a super being. Say it! Say it! Who's a super being? "I walk in the realm of the supernatural." Say it!...You want to prosper? Money will be falling on you from left, right and centre. God will begin to prosper you, for money always follows righteousness....Say after me, "everything I ever want is in me already."

                        Benny Hinn Praise-a-thon TBN November 6, 1990

                        Retrieved from http://www.afcministry.com/Benny_Hinn.htm
                        Over the top. He should stick with "confessing" more directly from Scripture, like "I'm born of God. I'm the Temple of the Spirit. I'm seated with Christ Himself in Heavenly places. I'm a co-heir with Christ Himself. I'm a partaker of the Divine Nature. The Spirit came upon Jesus and Jesus served in the power of the Spirit, and the Spirit and power have come upon me too. As Jesus was so also am I in this world." That sort of thing.
                        Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                        Beige Federalist.

                        Nationalist Christian.

                        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                        Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                        Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                        Justice for Matthew Perna!

                        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                          I didn't realize that Joyce Meyer had gone quite that far. I knew she taught some really weird stuff though. Usually closer to the Word of Faith type junk.
                          That quoted stuff was not uncommon in the Word-Faith books and tapes of the 1980s.
                          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                          Beige Federalist.

                          Nationalist Christian.

                          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                          Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                          Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                          Justice for Matthew Perna!

                          Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                            The reason there are so many "suckers" is because people aren't into the Word enough to be discerning.
                            That depends on what you mean by "into the Word." Most of the Word-Faith people I've known have been MUCH more familiar with Scripture than most "traditional" Christians. The problem is the hermeneutical methods they pick up.

                            And let's face it, everybody wants to be healthy and wealthy and have all their troubles addressed by someone who doesn't bother with the core message of repentance and faith in Christ.
                            Repentance and faith in Christ were not neglected in the WF groups I knew in the '80s and '90s. However, they did lean toward a legalistic, hyper-Wesleyan understanding of "repentance" and "faith."


                            There are no "Bible studies" anymore. There are "small groups", in which social and feel-good messages are watched/listened to/read. No actual scripture is studied, and so the problem perpetuates itself.
                            Maybe, but having "Bible studies" does not solve the problem. I attended many Bible studies in the '80s. We actually did study the Bible. That didn't keep us from viewing it through WF lenses, especially when some of the members of the studies had been around WF longer and explained things from that perspective.


                            And it goes all the way back to seminaries, where liberalism has taken over and the gospel has been watered down. The pastors in the pulpits are tickling ears, and the people hearing are not being fed. They don't grow, they accept pap, and the problem grows.
                            A lot of WF preachers never saw the inside of a "seminary." Many have gone to some sort of "Bible College," but not all. It's not really necessary to have any formal training in order to be "ordained" and even licensed.

                            Most of them would actually have quite "conservative" views of Scripture, most aspects of theology, and social issues.
                            Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                            Beige Federalist.

                            Nationalist Christian.

                            "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                            Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                            Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                            Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                            Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                            Justice for Matthew Perna!

                            Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by johngalt1 View Post
                              The fact that any church have women preachers, elders or deacons raises red flags for me.
                              Interesting. I have the converse reaction: In terms of competence, I consider any person or group that advocates or practices excluding women from those roles to be suspect. In terms of personal practice, my conscience does not permit me to be a member of such groups, though I am free to visit and have friendships with them.
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                              Beige Federalist.

                              Nationalist Christian.

                              "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                              Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                              Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

                              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                                Well, other than the fact that Paul was the last one to see Jesus according to him, and the fact that Duplantis is a complete nut?
                                I assume that you refer to 1 Cor. 15:8, which in no way makes the point you claim; and if it did, it would put Paul in direct contradiction with John the Revelator, disproving Scripture.

                                Duplantis may well be a nut, but that's a separate issue.
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                                Beige Federalist.

                                Nationalist Christian.

                                "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                                Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                                Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                                Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                                Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                                Justice for Matthew Perna!

                                Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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