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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Understanding Jesus as fully God and fully man is hard. I find most people go to one or the other but just can't deal with both.Last edited by tabibito; 10-08-2021, 09:33 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMost of those examples you cited from the West would never be confused with any sort of worship. They are signs of respect and the hat tip is often nothing more than acknowledging someone's presence. Sort of like a slight nod of the head. And a full of doffing of the hat is again merely a sign of respect.
And obeying orders and getting paid to provide a service can hardly be considered worship of any sort.
I'm watching a Chinese period drama currently. From my observation and admittedly general ignorance on historical Chinese culture, something tells me the postures and acts of reverence and submission are probably very accurate for the period. And the level of reverence they give to officials and royalty definitely borders on worship, but I also don't think it's worship.
With that said, I am not entirely sure what the deciding factor actually is for distinguishing worship from postures of reverence/submission within cultures of deeply embedded notions of honor and shame.
What level of reverence, what sort of posturing did Daniel, for example, give Nebuchadnezzar ("oh king live forever")? Or any of the Jewish commoners to Israel's kings who likewise were deeply embedded in honor shame culture with emphatic postures of reverence and submission in the ancient near east? I see no conflict in scripture that would have suggested they couldn't distinguish the difference.
Perhaps it's as simple as consciously acknowledging that someone is a deity?
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