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  • #31
    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    Understanding Jesus as fully God and fully man is hard. I find most people go to one or the other but just can't deal with both.

    Also on occasion, I find some of the heresy hunters are a little quick on the draw. I saw one YouTube video where they should about a 1 minute segment of a sermon by someone and declared him a false teacher because of the segment. Overlooking that one minute of a sermon is insufficient evidence of being a false teacher, the topic was to me so non-essential that I would say the guy was simply in error.
    When people find their niche they look for ways to compound success. It's true for any business. Likes & subs supporting their channels only come with views. Can't get views without being provocative and/or providing consistent content. It also becomes harder and harder to garner success in the same field "heresy hunting" when you've already reaped it clean. Now they'll start pulling off rotten fruit from an overall healthy tree and declare it cursed.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

      Understanding Jesus as fully God and fully man is hard. I find most people go to one or the other but just can't deal with both.
      At some time after resurrection, Jesus does indeed become both, "restored to the glory he had before creation" (cf John 17:5), yet without ceasing to be human. I haven't found anything in scripture to call that concept into question. Understanding how he can be both God and human is beyond me, but there are a number of other things even in physics for which I can say the same. That lack of understanding doesn't call their validity into question.
      Last edited by tabibito; 10-08-2021, 09:33 PM.
      sigpic1 Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Most of those examples you cited from the West would never be confused with any sort of worship. They are signs of respect and the hat tip is often nothing more than acknowledging someone's presence. Sort of like a slight nod of the head. And a full of doffing of the hat is again merely a sign of respect.

        And obeying orders and getting paid to provide a service can hardly be considered worship of any sort.
        This is an interesting discussion. Did anyone watch Remnant Radio on this topic recently?

        I'm watching a Chinese period drama currently. From my observation and admittedly general ignorance on historical Chinese culture, something tells me the postures and acts of reverence and submission are probably very accurate for the period. And the level of reverence they give to officials and royalty definitely borders on worship, but I also don't think it's worship.

        With that said, I am not entirely sure what the deciding factor actually is for distinguishing worship from postures of reverence/submission within cultures of deeply embedded notions of honor and shame.

        What level of reverence, what sort of posturing did Daniel, for example, give Nebuchadnezzar ("oh king live forever")? Or any of the Jewish commoners to Israel's kings who likewise were deeply embedded in honor shame culture with emphatic postures of reverence and submission in the ancient near east? I see no conflict in scripture that would have suggested they couldn't distinguish the difference.

        Perhaps it's as simple as consciously acknowledging that someone is a deity?

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        • #34
          In case anyone was interested. I appreciate the way they discuss these issues, strive to parse out orthodoxy, and also seek to understand what others are actually trying to say when they fail to use the right language.

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