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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I have seen numerous cases where churches change their format or platform or building or style - in hopes of gaining more people - and all they do is push away the faithful attenders who simply want Jesus preached.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostPeople don't join football clubs to play baseball. Why would we expect people to join the church to play badminton?
Others join to mingle but not for social reasons. They're there to make connections. Mostly business, but for a few going to "the right church" is a political move as well.
Some go because they feel a duty to take their children/grandchildren.
And there are even some who go because they want to hear the Gospel.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA lot of folks join for the socializing and look for a church with plenty of lunches and various activities to mingle at. And there are even some who go because they want to hear the Gospel.
Twice a week, one of the local Baptist Churches provides beneficial activities, in the form of language teaching, for all comers.
Other language classes and activities centre on Christian matters, particularly on Sundays. It is no accident that the church concerned has one of the most mixed and strongest congregations in the city.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Perfectly valid reasons for going to church, beyond doubt. Fellowship is, after all, an important factor of Christian life. AHHHHHHHHHH - Fellowship with "like-minded" people who want to be disciples is an important factor, anyway.
Twice a week, one of the local Baptist Churches provides beneficial activities, in the form of language teaching, for all comers.
Other language classes and activities centre on Christian matters, particularly on Sundays. It is no accident that the church concerned has one of the most mixed and strongest congregations in the city.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
My preference is for Psa. 149-150 style praise and worship -- even though I have been rather accurately labeled as "phlegmatic" and "taciturn" as far as my IRL interactions are concerned.
"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
This was as loud as it got at the time, so I don't get the "sure, all genres are okay, except rock/heavy metal" line of argumentation. If the rationale is that it is too "entertaining", then I should abstain from churches that play organ music, because I find that far more entertaining than praise/worship music.
It is basically the only example we have of "Biblical" worship style. While I would never denigrate those who simply *prefer* the more staid, traditional, "churchy" styles as a matter of personal taste, when they go so far as to claim those styles are more Scripturally sound, I immediately recognize them as ignoramuses.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Going to sound a contrary note here.
I think Hillsong lyrics, though not perfect, are generally sound. Searching for heretical Hillsong lyrics, I found this:
Not what I would call heretical, or even questionable (cf. Luke 22:15). Most of their lyrics emphasize devotion to Jesus, which I find very Biblical (1 Cor. 7:35, 2 Cor. 11:3), and challenging.
"The most of our spiritual decays and barrenness arise from an inordinate admission of other things into our minds; for these are they that weaken grace in all its operations. But when the mind is filled with thoughts of Christ and his glory, when the soul thereon cleaves unto him with intense affections, they will cast out, or not give admittance unto, those causes of spiritual weakness and indisposition." (John Owen)
Blessings,
Lee
"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
A) Supposing to know the thoughts of Christ based on assumptions.
2) Where is the biblical support for heaven being brought down to earth?
C) That seems to cheapen how incredibly beautiful and special heaven is.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
2) Where is the biblical support for heaven being brought down to earth?
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, Psalm 18:9 "He bowed down the heavens and came down...". It's been linked to the Incarnation for quite some time.
Besides, other translations say "He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet", "He opened the heavens and came down; dark storm clouds were beneath his feet.", "He also bowed the heavens down low, and came down With thick darkness under His feet.", "He bent the heavens and came down, total darkness beneath his feet.", etc.
But, at least I see from whence that apparently came.
Thanks OBP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhere is the biblical support for heaven being brought down to earth?
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI think they might be referring to Jesus' announcement that "The kingdom of heaven is at hand!" (Mt. 4:17)
Blessings,
Lee
I love, brother, but no.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Christianbookworm View PostWhat about the new creation?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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