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  • #76
    I thought it was a reference to Moses being in a rock crevice to see a fraction of the Glory of God. Full exposure would be lethal.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
      I thought it was a reference to Moses being in a rock crevice to see a fraction of the Glory of God. Full exposure would be lethal.
      I do think that's the better fit, though neither passage seems to match the analogy completely.

      And as I have heard, Hillsong requires their lyrics to correspond to Scripture, if such a correspondence can't be demonstrated, the lyrics have to be redone.

      Blessings,
      Lee
      "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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      • #78
        Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
        I do think that's the better fit, though neither passage seems to match the analogy completely.

        And as I have heard, Hillsong requires their lyrics to correspond to Scripture, if such a correspondence can't be demonstrated, the lyrics have to be redone.

        Blessings,
        Lee
        The latter can be either quickly verified or falsified by examining a selection of their songs.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
          Yes, but I was referring to the phrase "cleft for me", I don't think that analogy is found in Scripture.


          Well, I think there are some hymn lyrics that are decidedly unscriptural, such as washing in a fountain of blood.


          Yes, that can be helpful, I do like learning about hymns, I've done some hymn arrangements, even, notably Rock of Ages being one of them.

          Blessings,
          Lee
          After some further reflection, I'm wondering if the writer was thinking about the hymn Rock of Ages. "Rock of Ages, cleft for me, let me hide myself in thee; let the water and the blood, from thy wounded side which flowed, be of sin the double cure; save from wrath and make me pure."

          In the first verse, the hymn clear compares Jesus to a cleft rock.
          "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

            After some further reflection, I'm wondering if the writer was thinking about the hymn Rock of Ages. "Rock of Ages, cleft for me, let me hide myself in thee; let the water and the blood, from thy wounded side which flowed, be of sin the double cure; save from wrath and make me pure."

            In the first verse, the hymn clear compares Jesus to a cleft rock.
            Well yeah, I think it's obvious the ref. is to that hymn, and the hymn probably derives from 1 Cor. 10:2-4, which links Jesus and the rock in the Moses story.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

              Well yeah, I think it's obvious the ref. is to that hymn, and the hymn probably derives from 1 Cor. 10:2-4, which links Jesus and the rock in the Moses story.
              There was a Jeopardy question about the origin of Rock of Ages a few weeks ago. Tradition holds it was not directly inspired from any biblical reference, but from an incident where the hymn's writer, Rev. Augustus Toplady, took shelter when stuck in a storm outdoors.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #82
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                There was a Jeopardy question about the origin of Rock of Ages a few weeks ago. Tradition holds it was not directly inspired from any biblical reference, but from an incident where the hymn's writer, Rev. Augustus Toplady, took shelter when stuck in a storm outdoors.
                I already stated that in an earlier post.


                Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  Yeah, I try not to delve too deeply into that cause it makes my head hurt.
                  I am in a group discussing Aquinas' "Summa Theologica" It might make your head hurt but it's really helped increase my understanding of this portion of Scripture.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Catholicity View Post

                    I am in a group discussing Aquinas' "Summa Theologica" It might make your head hurt but it's really helped increase my understanding of this portion of Scripture.
                    I never finished it and likely lost my copy. But it is an interesting read offering insights you never thought of.

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