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    Since it's mostly about books, I'm not sure whether this post belongs here or in the Study Room.---

    I don't think there's a question here, at least not one I can clearly formulate. It's just a bunch of recent observations that are swirling around in my head, defying my efforts to sort them out.

    -- I recently skimmed the new version of Keener's Gift and Giver, focusing on the Afterword, the only part that was updated. In it, in kind of a throwaway line, he enthusiastically recommended Jack Deere's Why I'm Still Surprised by the Power of the Spirit, the significantly revised and updated recent version of his famous book from 30-ish years ago.

    -- Keener has endorsed several books by Randy Clark, and considers him a friend.

    -- Keener has endorsed, sometimes enthusiastically, books by Dr. Michael Brown, and coauthored one.

    -- Keener has denounced the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), or at least aspects of it. Both Clark and Brown are widely considered important members of that movement.

    -- I'm re-reading 1988's When the Spirit Comes with Power by Dr. John White.

    -- In A Time to Laugh, B.J. Oropeza criticizes some aspects of the "Toronto Blessing" movement, but seems to consider it a legitimate revival of God.

    -- In Counterfeit Revival, Heresy-Huntin' Hank seems to denounce the TB movement and the Vineyard pretty much in toto. Jack Deere, John White, and Randy Clark are among those he specifically names. Oddly, there is no mention of Mike Brown (who was a leader in the movement at that time) or Wayne Grudem, who was writing apologetics for the Vineyard at that time. Notable that he did not interact at all with Oropeza's book, which was published two years earlier, especially since Oropeza was listed as a "critical reviewer" in Hank's first book, Christianity in Crisis.

    -- One can readily find online indications of adversarial interactions between Hank and Brown, but it also appears that Hank actually wrote a forward to Brown's book, Hyper-Grace.

    -- I've never found any evidence of Hank criticizing Keener, in spite of the aforementioned endorsements by Keener, and even though Keener is on record as
    claiming to have often operated in the gift of prophecy, and to have several times benefited from the experience of refreshing divine laughter. Hank is a continuationist, so he would probably not have problems with the prophetic claim, except that Keener, like Grudem, believes that NT prophecies need not always be perfect, especially in those just learning the gift.
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    If you haven't already read them, Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis and Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton

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      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      If you haven't already read them, Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis and Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton
      I may have Mere Christianity here somewhere. I know I never got around to reading it. I'll have to search through the hoardin's to see if I can find it.

      I guess I'm puzzling over the divergent standards of the various "experts." And it occurs to me that the one with the narrowest views regarding "legitimate" manifestations of the Spirit -- Hanegraaff -- is the only one without an advanced degree. (Clark's doctorate is relatively recent, and White's was a medical doctorate -- not specifically "Bible-related," but perhaps even more relevant to observing and evaluating unusual behaviors.)
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      "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

      Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.


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