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  • #16
    Originally posted by Maranatha View Post

    Those point to the symptoms of us living in the time where men cannot endure sound doctrine, and heap up these people to push these things. Brick and mortar churches are full of crazy stuff, and wolves.
    So are discussion boards.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      So are discussion boards.
      My turn to say, this is about me isn't it? smiley runaway.gif

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        My turn to say, this is about me isn't it? smiley runaway.gif
        You have always been quite perceptive, brudder.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          You have always been quite perceptive, brudder.
          smiley dejected.gif

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
            I was watching a video and really related to what the man was saying. He was talking about the reason the church in the US is so weak these days. I want to see how much posters here agree or disagree with these points.

            He had 12 points. I think that was to fill an allotted time slot. I found them a little repetitive so I've consolidate them to 5:
            1. Political Activism: Christians should be involved in politics. The church should not be a political action committee.
            2. Church as Entertainment: Christian TV and Hipster or Rock-star Pastors have cheapened the Christian message.
            3. Scandals: the one constant through all the years.
            4. Weak Evangelism: instead of the members doing evangelism, now we try to do it in the church service. The service instead of being for the members is soft so the unbeliever will be attracted in. He's not a fan of the seeker sensitive movement. The result is false conversions as people don't have a conviction of sin.
            5. Low View of the Bible: Post Modernism has caused everyone to say what does the Bible mean to me as opposed to being an authority. The Prosperity Gospel, Neo Gospel has changed the message from a relationship with God to solving personal issues. I've personally been in a church the substituted the Bible with a watered down paraphrase.
            A few comments. While he's calls on pastors to be qualified, I think he misses how much the elders have failed to maintain the church. I've seen too many unqualified elders in my time. I think in general, the church needs better leadership beyond just the pastor.

            I think he's also missing what I think will be the next scandal in the church. The number of pastors and leaders who don't believe in God anymore. I think too many are just going through the motions rather than admit they've become agnostic or atheist.

            Here's a link. The video is about 30 minutes long. https://wretched.org/12-reasons-why-...ch-is-so-weak/
            I realized that if you need a good example of 4 and 5, watch a couple episodes of Your Move with Andy Stanley.
            "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

            "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

              I realized that if you need a good example of 4 and 5, watch a couple episodes of Your Move with Andy Stanley.
              I'm not familiar with Stanley. Are you saying that he exemplifies those issues or discusses them

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #22
                Churches, especially in major cities, are being overrun with liberal ideology. I think that probably sums it up in a nice and neat nutshell.
                "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  I'm not familiar with Stanley. Are you saying that he exemplifies those issues or discusses them
                  He exemplifies these issues.
                  "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                  "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    I'm not familiar with Stanley. Are you saying that he exemplifies those issues or discusses them
                    I think Andy is trying to be the "hip" version of Charles - and he and his father were fierce enemies for a time. Don't know if that ever cleared up or not.
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                      He exemplifies these issues.
                      A few moments after posting I sort of figured that out or else you would have pointed to specific videos rather than just saying watch his stuff

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        I think Andy is trying to be the "hip" version of Charles - and he and his father were fierce enemies for a time. Don't know if that ever cleared up or not.
                        I think Andy is trying to connect the Gospel to today's people. Nothing wrong with that since it's like what Paul does in his sermon in Acts. However, Andy has so compromised and watered down the Gospel in his message you really can't find it anymore. That is what is wrong with his teaching.
                        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                          I think Andy is trying to connect the Gospel to today's people. Nothing wrong with that since it's like what Paul does in his sermon in Acts.
                          Agreed!

                          However, Andy has so compromised and watered down the Gospel in his message you really can't find it anymore. That is what is wrong with his teaching.
                          That's the problem, brother - when you're more concerned with the method than the message.
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            So are discussion boards.
                            Discussion boards are weak?

                            Someone wrote on why they think church is weak, I don't know what a discussion board has to do with anything.

                            ​​​​​​I can see why political activist entertained people who have a low view of scripture can lead to a church in name only.

                            It is sort of like asking why are wolves weak on spreading the gospel.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Maranatha View Post

                              Discussion boards are weak?
                              That was not what I said or implied. My comment was to a specific post. You had said...
                              Originally posted by Maranatha View Post

                              Those point to the symptoms of us living in the time where men cannot endure sound doctrine, and heap up these people to push these things. Brick and mortar churches are full of crazy stuff, and wolves.

                              It's rather disingenuous to imply that my response to the thread title, and not your words to which I responded.

                              Someone wrote on why they think church is weak, I don't know what a discussion board has to do with anything.
                              You had concluded your statement (to which I responded) with "Brick and mortar churches are full of crazy stuff, and wolves."

                              That's why I said "So are discussion boards". Please don't try to twist my words into saying something I did not say.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                That was not what I said or implied. My comment was to a specific post. You had said...
                                It's rather disingenuous to imply that my response to the thread title, and not your words to which I responded.



                                You had concluded your statement (to which I responded) with "Brick and mortar churches are full of crazy stuff, and wolves."

                                That's why I said "So are discussion boards". Please don't try to twist my words into saying something I did not say.
                                Sorry but your comment made no sense to the subject which is a weak church.

                                You introduced the inane subject of a message board.

                                My comment was towards a weak church, and I don't know what you are on about.

                                You are not familiar enough with me to just randomly comment without me assuming anything. So i.assumed you were tying in message boards to weak churches.

                                You can go back to your board clique now.

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