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    Suppose one could prove that only the Christian God can provide the necessary preconditions of intelligible experience, logic, science, and morality. Would this prove that the Bible is the word of God?

    If someone asks you, "How do you know that Christianity is true?" and you answer, "John 14:6 teaches that Jesus is the way, the truth, and life. No one comes to the Father except through Him," would this prove that Christianity is true?

    I asked someone this question: "What do you think of the idea that Christ's atonement is the only atonement that satisfied God's wrath as the proof of Christianity regardless of one's experience?" The person I asked said that this would only prove that the Bible teaches a particular thing; it would not prove that Christianity is true. What do you think about this?

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    Originally posted by Jaxb View Post
    Suppose one could prove that only the Christian God can provide the necessary preconditions of intelligible experience, logic, science, and morality. Would this prove that the Bible is the word of God?
    I think it would depend on how one constructed the argument.

    If someone asks you, "How do you know that Christianity is true?" and you answer, "John 14:6 teaches that Jesus is the way, the truth, and life. No one comes to the Father except through Him," would this prove that Christianity is true?
    No. Honestly, I don't see that response as even directly relating to the question.

    I asked someone this question: "What do you think of the idea that Christ's atonement is the only atonement that satisfied God's wrath as the proof of Christianity regardless of one's experience?" The person I asked said that this would only prove that the Bible teaches a particular thing; it would not prove that Christianity is true. What do you think about this?
    The person is correct.

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    • #3
      Thank you for answering my questions.

      If Jesus is the only way to the Father, would this imply that Christianity is true?

      I can see why you said that the person would be correct in saying that it would only proves that the Bible teaches a particular thing. Someone could ask, "How do you know that the Bible is true?"

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      • #4
        Interesting questions, here's my take on them:

        Originally posted by Jaxb View Post
        Suppose one could prove that only the Christian God can provide the necessary preconditions of intelligible experience, logic, science, and morality. Would this prove that the Bible is the word of God?

        This is a weird framing of a question. To say the Bible being the word of God based on premise that the God of Christendom (let's assume this as "proven" for argument's sake) is the necessary cause of intelligible experience, logic, science, and morality, would imply that you derived what you know of the Christian God from another source apart of the Bible. Although to be fair, and considering what we know of God derived from Bible writ, there's nothing stopping God from revealing Himself via other means.

        On another note, and framed in another fashion, I would argue that appealing to your necessary preconditions aren't enough to point to the particularities of the God of Christendom. Such attributions could fit to the Ik Onkar of the Sikhs, the Brahman of the Hindus, the God of the Muslims, the Great Spirit of traditional Sioux and/or Algonquian beliefs, or the Prime Mover of Aristotle's discourses.


        If someone asks you, "How do you know that Christianity is true?" and you answer, "John 14:6 teaches that Jesus is the way, the truth, and life. No one comes to the Father except through Him," would this prove that Christianity is true?

        Not really. A man merely uttering "I am the way", does not follow that Christianity is true. There's a reason Christ's disciples appealed to the resurrection of Jesus as the basis for their belief in Him and his teachings, and not just merely on His teachings alone. On a plus, the insanely radical nature of Christ's teachings alone (remove miracles and resurrection out of the equation) would have most likely have sent the Christian movement to an early grave, at best persisting on a fringe scale. The truth claims of the Christianity are fundamentally contingent to the historical reality or falseness of the Resurrection.


        And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 1 Corinthians 15:14


        I asked someone this question: "What do you think of the idea that Christ's atonement is the only atonement that satisfied God's wrath as the proof of Christianity regardless of one's experience?" The person I asked said that this would only prove that the Bible teaches a particular thing; it would not prove that Christianity is true. What do you think about this?

        I second what NorrinRadd said: Said someone is correct.
        Last edited by Andius; 01-05-2021, 03:09 AM.
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        • #5
          Thank you for answering my questions, Andius.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jaxb View Post
            Thank you for answering my questions.

            If Jesus is the only way to the Father, would this imply that Christianity is true?

            I can see why you said that the person would be correct in saying that it would only proves that the Bible teaches a particular thing. Someone could ask, "How do you know that the Bible is true?"
            If you can "argue" somebody into the Kingdom, somebody else could "argue" them out.

            Without the power of the Holy Spirit, our efforts to convince somebody that the Bible is true, or that Jesus was (and is) real are often laughed at and dismissed.

            I have learned (and I don't know who came up with this originally) "share Jesus in the Power of the Spirit, leaving the results to God".

            That does a number of wonderful things - it takes the pressure off me to "get a salvation" or "win the lost", because all we're told to do is to be faithful to share our faith, and always be ready to give an answer.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jaxb View Post
              Someone could ask, "How do you know that the Bible is true?"
              Fulfilled prophecy is one way:

              "Present your case,” says the LORD.
              “Set forth your arguments,” says Jacob’s King.
              “Tell us, you idols,
              what is going to happen.
              Tell us what the former things were,
              so that we may consider them
              and know their final outcome.
              Or declare to us the things to come,
              tell us what the future holds,
              so we may know that you are gods." (Isa 41:21–23)

              "We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts." (2 Peter 1:19)

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              "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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