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Doesn't the Billy Graham rule professionally hurt women?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post



    Women shouldn't be discriminated against professionally. However give the prevalence of sin, everyone needs rules to protect themselves.
    But that is my very point. The rule by its nature reduces professional networking opportunities for women as opposed to for men, and networking is how you get a decent job nowadays. So it is in effect discriminatory IMO. If men can't stay faithful, that's on them and they shouldn't shift that burden onto others. Maybe they should be the ones to find somewhere else to work instead.
    Last edited by KingsGambit; 12-30-2020, 03:38 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

      But that is my very point. The rule by its nature reduces professional networking opportunities for women as opposed to for men, and networking is how you get a decent job nowadays. So it is in effect discriminatory IMO. If men can't stay faithful, that's on them and they shouldn't shift that burden onto others. Maybe they should be the ones to find somewhere else to work instead.
      Perhaps a distinction should be made that "the Billy Graham rule" was specifically used for "ministry", not business.

      The business world often adopted it, but the fact is that most men in the ministry have their downfall in one of two main ways...
      A) Sex
      2) Money
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

        But that is my very point. The rule by its nature reduces professional networking opportunities for women as opposed to for men, and networking is how you get a decent job nowadays. So it is in effect discriminatory IMO. If men can't stay faithful, that's on them and they shouldn't shift that burden onto others. Maybe they should be the ones to find somewhere else to work instead.
        I get your point about networking. I think you may discounting all the women's networking groups that now exist. Certainly I hear more about those groups than any men's networking group.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

          But that is my very point. The rule by its nature reduces professional networking opportunities for women as opposed to for men, and networking is how you get a decent job nowadays. So it is in effect discriminatory IMO. If men can't stay faithful, that's on them and they shouldn't shift that burden onto others. Maybe they should be the ones to find somewhere else to work instead.
          It isn't just that rule. It isn't uncommon for the boss to take an employee out for dinner or even to get a drink or two while discussing something from work. But if the boss is a man and the employee is a woman, offering to talk about something over dinner or a few drinks can land them in hot water. They can quickly be accused of "hitting on" the female employee and open themselves up to charges of sexual harassment.

          That's a shame too, because I've seen studies that found that those sort of after work meetings go a long way in building camaraderie and fellowship that can play a significant factor when it comes times to promotions and raises.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            It isn't just that rule. It isn't uncommon for the boss to take an employee out for dinner or even to get a drink or two while discussing something from work. But if the boss is a man and the employee is a woman, offering to talk about something over dinner or a few drinks can land them in hot water. They can quickly be accused of "hitting on" the female employee and open themselves up to charges of sexual harassment.

            That's a shame too, because I've seen studies that found that those sort of after work meetings go a long way in building camaraderie and fellowship that can play a significant factor when it comes times to promotions and raises.
            When I've taken a woman to a meal like that, I've always invited somebody else to go along, or meet me there.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              When I've taken a woman to a meal like that, I've always invited somebody else to go along, or meet me there.
              Back in the day when my father was a Regional Sales Manager for one of the [then] Big Three auto manufacturers there weren't a whole lot of women in executive positions (he died in the mid 70s), but his boss advised him that whenever he would invite one out after work to be sure to include his wife[1]. Not because of sexual harassment but so that the wife didn't think anything inappropriate was going on.





              1. not the bosses' wife but my father's wife -- my mother

              I'm always still in trouble again

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