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    Scripture Verse: Matthew 13:3, 7, 22

    Matthew 13:3, 7, 22. Then He told them many things in parables, saying: "A famer went out to sow his seed...Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants...The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word making it unfruitful."

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    It is so easy to get distracted by the world. Do you ever think about how many things pull your attention away from God? The ongoing drama of the Presidential election is certainly one of them. I've spent too much time in Civics arguing over it instead of focusing on God. Even spending time on TheologyWeb can be a distraction from God. Yes, there are certainly things that we need to set our hands to and do. But do we go do things that don't draw us nearer to God even if they don't pull us away either? Right now I'm struggling with potential advancement at work and finding myself asking if it's God's will or another distraction.

    This doesn't seem to be a salvation question. In the parable, the birds eating and falling on a rocky place could be argued as not being saved. This says has no fruit. I suppose having no fruit means no salvation could be argued. I think it's more you're saved but were of little use to God. I feel this verse applies here
    Scripture Verse: 1 Corinthians 3:15

    If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved - even though only as one escaping through the flames.

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    I'm not looking for an answer of how to clear weeds. As with most Christian issues, the answer is prayer and reading the Word and then following where God leads. I guess I'm looking for does anyone have this issue?
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

    "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

  • #2
    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Scripture Verse: Matthew 13:3, 7, 22

    Matthew 13:3, 7, 22. Then He told them many things in parables, saying: "A famer went out to sow his seed...Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants...The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word making it unfruitful."

    © Copyright Original Source



    It is so easy to get distracted by the world. Do you ever think about how many things pull your attention away from God? The ongoing drama of the Presidential election is certainly one of them. I've spent too much time in Civics arguing over it instead of focusing on God. Even spending time on TheologyWeb can be a distraction from God. Yes, there are certainly things that we need to set our hands to and do. But do we go do things that don't draw us nearer to God even if they don't pull us away either? Right now I'm struggling with potential advancement at work and finding myself asking if it's God's will or another distraction.

    This doesn't seem to be a salvation question. In the parable, the birds eating and falling on a rocky place could be argued as not being saved. This says has no fruit. I suppose having no fruit means no salvation could be argued. I think it's more you're saved but were of little use to God. I feel this verse applies here
    Scripture Verse: 1 Corinthians 3:15

    If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved - even though only as one escaping through the flames.

    © Copyright Original Source



    I'm not looking for an answer of how to clear weeds. As with most Christian issues, the answer is prayer and reading the Word and then following where God leads. I guess I'm looking for does anyone have this issue?
    From my experience there are few Christians I know who actually read the Bible for their own knowledge. They think going to church once a week is all they need to do. They are lazy or they don't see it as important.

    We all have distractions that might take the place of God in our lives. Going to movies; watching television, etc.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Christian3 View Post

      From my experience there are few Christians I know who actually read the Bible for their own knowledge. They think going to church once a week is all they need to do. They are lazy or they don't see it as important.

      We all have distractions that might take the place of God in our lives. Going to movies; watching television, etc.
      I'm really uncomfortable with saying there are levels of Christianity within people. I guess I'm concerned about being too judgmental - mainly they're not Christian enough to actually be saved. For me, the only connection between salvation and discipleship is you have to be saved in order to be a disciple. How much of a disciple you are in no way reflects on or diminishes your salvation. I believe a drunk in the bar can be saved even if he never shows one sign of being a disciple. If your curious, my take on judge not lest you be judged is Jesus is telling us not to determine salvation status of another.

      I get that most churches will have many people who are barely along the discipleship path. I would hope a church would have enough more mature Christians leading it and striving to motivate the others along the path.
      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

        I'm really uncomfortable with saying there are levels of Christianity within people. I guess I'm concerned about being too judgmental - mainly they're not Christian enough to actually be saved. For me, the only connection between salvation and discipleship is you have to be saved in order to be a disciple. How much of a disciple you are in no way reflects on or diminishes your salvation. I believe a drunk in the bar can be saved even if he never shows one sign of being a disciple. If your curious, my take on judge not lest you be judged is Jesus is telling us not to determine salvation status of another.

        I get that most churches will have many people who are barely along the discipleship path. I would hope a church would have enough more mature Christians leading it and striving to motivate the others along the path.
        I wonder how many Christians know what being a disciple of Jesus means. Some Christians I know think being nice to people is enough, but that doesn't work for me because a lot of people are "nice" and they aren't Christians.



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        • #5
          Originally posted by Christian3 View Post

          I wonder how many Christians know what being a disciple of Jesus means. Some Christians I know think being nice to people is enough, but that doesn't work for me because a lot of people are "nice" and they aren't Christians.
          You're probably right. I think the church has really failed to disciple it's members as Christians. There is certainly more to discipleship than being nice and the occasional social outreach.

          Maybe the biggest failure is the church's total emphasis on the lowest rung, the seeker, and total neglect of people above that rung.
          "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

          "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

            You're probably right. I think the church has really failed to disciple it's members as Christians. There is certainly more to discipleship than being nice and the occasional social outreach.

            Maybe the biggest failure is the church's total emphasis on the lowest rung, the seeker, and total neglect of people above that rung.
            My church has failed in a number of ways.

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