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What do Christians need to believe in order to call themselves Christians?

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    I'm not sure that his father being a Jew results in his coloring his view of Jesus being the only way to God. Of far more significance is his promoting Rob Bell's book. I rate your chances of bring change to him at zero. Of course, I'm a bit biased by my experiences where I'm zero for about five on my efforts to change or carve a niche within a church,

    Also, it's interesting that I can't off the top of my read come up with a NT verse that says try to reach and reform a false teacher. The view seems to be they're dangerous and should be avoided.
    The Pastor said that if Jesus is the only way then what happens to his father?

    I think my church has lost its way. I fear that other churches have lost their way too.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Christian3 View Post

      The Pastor said that if Jesus is the only way then what happens to his father?

      I think my church has lost its way. I fear that other churches have lost their way too.
      I prefer not to get involved too deeply in salvation questions as I find they generate a lot passion and eventually name calling and other un-Christian behavior. Since his father is a Jew and I believe the promises God gave to Abraham and his descendants are still in force for the Jewish people, I say there is still a chance he could be saved. I'll leave it to God to work out the details. Salvation is a gift of God lest any man should boast.

      A lot of churches have their way. It's amazing to find any are still on the way.
      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Andius View Post
        As others adequately put, the consensus achieved in 325 A.D. at the first Council of Nicea provides the codification of what constitutes a Christian, regardless of the plurality of churches that have taken place in the past 1700 years.


        Yes and yes to the second and third question.


        And Cow Poke also put it well. Once the creed is embraced, how then to act is just as important. Bearing fruit and all as testament if one is truly of Christ.
        Great to see you, Brother!
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          Great to see you, Brother!
          Aawwnn, thanks dearest Cow Poke! Definately glad to be here in TWeb.
          Ladino, Guatemalan, Hispanic, and Latin, but foremostly, Christian.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
            What do Christians need to believe in order to call themselves Christians?

            Do Christians need to believe Jesus is the only way to the Father?

            Do Christians need to believe in the Trinity?
            I say yes, both of these need to be believed in order to be a Christian. and I’d also strongly add that belief in the resurrection is essential. I agree with an earlier post stating that God will not abandon the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. How that fits with Jesus being the only way, I am not certain, but I’ll leave that up to God and just continue to proclaim that Christ is the Ultimate Truth.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kate22 View Post
              I say yes, both of these need to be believed in order to be a Christian. and I’d also strongly add that belief in the resurrection is essential. I agree with an earlier post stating that God will not abandon the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. How that fits with Jesus being the only way, I am not certain, but I’ll leave that up to God and just continue to proclaim that Christ is the Ultimate Truth.
              Thanks for mentioning the Resurrection as essential. Again, you won't think it would have to be said but these days it has to be said.

              I would say it as "Bodily Resurrection." Unfortunately there are too many people who say "I believe in the resurrection" while thinking "Jesus is resurrected in my heart even though his body is rotting in a tomb."
              "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

              "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                Would you say that anyone who claims that they are a Christian and still thinks Jesus is not the only way to the Father is not really a Christian?

                Thanks for your answers, Guys.
                STM that if someone is acceptable to God, that person has to be acceptable to Christians as well. Regardless of that person’s beliefs.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
                  STM that if someone is acceptable to God, that person has to be acceptable to Christians as well. Regardless of that person’s beliefs.
                  You're responds immediately begs the question: how does a person become acceptable to God?
                  "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                  "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                  • #39
                    I agree that behavior is an equally important question, maybe even more important, because the New Testament spends a whole lot more time talking about behaviors that will disqualify one from the kingdom. There's even specific lists that word it in that fashion. But the risk is completely brushing the question in the OP off. After all, Paul said that Hymenaeus and Alexander had overthrown the faith of others, the implication being that their false view of Jesus's second coming had resulted in those who fell for it being headed for damnation.

                    The fact is though that the Bible spends very little time detailing what specific things you have to believe to be within bounds, so we need to have a little humility and recognize that this is outside our scope of what we know. Jesus told us that we would know people by their fruits, not by their doctrines, so it's appropriate for that to be more of a focus.

                    The real problem is when people's doctrines lead people into disqualifying sins. Jesus warned of a "Jezebel" in one of the letters to the churches of Revelation that she was leading people in the church into sexual immorality, and this was a pretty big deal. The obvious example today is where churches teach that homosexuality isn't sinful.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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