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Jesus prophesied His transfiguration.

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    Jesus prophesied His transfiguration.

    Just before Jesus prophesied His transfiguration, Jesus is cited to say,

    "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." -- Matthew 16:27.

    "Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels." -- Mark 8:38.

    "For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels." -- Luke 9:26.

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    "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, . . . " -- Matthew 16:28; 17:1.

    "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them. . . ." -- Mark 9:1, 2.

    "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. . . . " -- Luke 9:27, 28.

    Technical note here: "after six days" and "an about eight days after these sayings," refer to the same span of days. Luke counts of the day Jesus said some would not see death, in regards to Him appearing in His kingdom to of the day Jesus was transfigured about 8 days, "after six days" are the days in between.
    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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    I think this may be an Eschatology not a Language issue, but I don't think the Transfiguration fits the bill with some of these verses:

    Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
    Although as you may know I believe in a future fulfillment at Judgment, I also believe in a partial fulfillment with Stephen, who we may presume was also rewarded for being a martyr, and in Revelation, Jesus is at the right hand of the Father at the Throne surrounded by angels.

    Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JohnnyP View Post
      I think this may be an Eschatology not a Language issue, but I don't think the Transfiguration fits the bill with some of these verses:
      Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

      Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
      Both those verses have to do with Eschatology. It was just after what Jesus said, as cited in Matthew 16:27, and parallel passages Mark 8:38 and Luke 9:26, what Jesus said next was about His transfiguration.


      Although as you may know I believe in a future fulfillment at Judgment, I also believe in a partial fulfillment with Stephen, who we may presume was also rewarded for being a martyr, and in Revelation, Jesus is at the right hand of the Father at the Throne surrounded by angels.
      Perterist believe in a future fulfillment at judgement. Right now Jesus is at the right hand of power, the right hand of God. The point of this thread, is that prophecy that some standing before Jesus as Jesus so stated, would see Him in the kingdom. That was what was seen in the transfiguration. I see the blatant denial of this as obvious flaw in the Preterist hermeneutic. I honestly do not expect preterist here to see this flaw. I know this, if I came around to the preterist view point. I would still believe Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27 to be Jesus speaking of His transfiguration.
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        The point of this thread, is that prophecy that some standing before Jesus as Jesus so stated, would see Him in the kingdom. That was what was seen in the transfiguration. I see the blatant denial of this as obvious flaw in the Preterist hermeneutic.
        Your concept of "the preterist hermeneutic" is not applicable to all preterists.

        For instance, consider the interpretation provided by R. T. France in The Gospel of Matthew (NICNT: Eerdmans, 2007), pages 640-641, comment on Matthew 16:28, via Accordance):
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